Time to see what Logan can do

[cardfaninfl]

I would give Logan additional reps, in the first part of the week. If there is ANYTHING that inspires confidence, have him practice with the 1st team and name Logan the starter.

Stanton is like a poker player that touches his mouth when he bluffs, and plays with his chips when he has a good hand. And everybody at the table knows his 'tells'.

The reason it looks like Stanton throws into triple coverage is because defenses are playing zone, with DBs deep enough to watch the quarterback's eyes. As soon as he locks on to a receiver and starts his throwing motion, everyone breaks to the receiver/ball. When Stanton doesn't (or can't) lock-on to a receiver for several seconds, he will throw behind the receiver and often high.

Maybe Stanton is "better", but when you have your opponent figured out, it is a little bit easier to defeat them. Even when your defense is statistically the worst in the NFL. Give Logan an opportunity; Stanton has played himself out of the starter role.

 

[slinslin]

Logan Thomas played 2 drives away at Denver in a 4th quarter but good thing you geniuses already know that he is so atrocious and so much worse than even Stanton who is completely worthless.

 

[cardpa]

Wolf made an interesting comment at the end of the game yesterday as I was listening to it on Sirius. He noted that teams DCs have figured out how to defend Stanton.

Stanton can throw a pretty accurate deep ball but has problems being accurate in the intermediate range. Atlanta played a lot of cover 3 yesterday which took away the deep ball. They forced Stanton to throw the intermediate passes which is his weakness. The results were plain as day. According to Wolf Detroit and Seattle took away the deep pass which forced Stanton to throw shorter passes which he struggles with. When Palmer is the QB defenses can't do this because Palmer can throw that intermediate pass with accuracy.

Now BA and crew need to figure out how to fix this by either coming up with a stronger running game or fixing Stanton and quick. No teams seem to respect the Cardinal running game. This offense is not centered around the running game. The run game is a compliment to the passing game in BAs offense.

 

[Chopper0080]

No, Stanton staring down his first read before 95% of his passes is STUPID.

What is even more stupid is trotting out a QB who can't even get his drops right yet so he can stare down his first read.

 

[ajcardfan]

Stop, we are not playing like a 9-3 team at this juncture.

No, but it does mean we at least have something very valuable to play for. Put in Thomas, you are telling the whole team that you've quit on the season.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Wolf made an interesting comment at the end of the game yesterday as I was listening to it on Sirius. He noted that teams DCs have figured out how to defend Stanton.

Stanton can throw a pretty accurate deep ball but has problems being accurate in the intermediate range. Atlanta played a lot of cover 3 yesterday which took away the deep ball. They forced Stanton to throw the intermediate passes which is his weakness. The results were plain as day. According to Wolf Detroit and Seattle took away the deep pass which forced Stanton to throw shorter passes which he struggles with. When Palmer is the QB defenses can't do this because Palmer can throw that intermediate pass with accuracy.

Now BA and crew need to figure out how to fix this by either coming up with a stronger running game or fixing Stanton and quick. No teams seem to respect the Cardinal running game. This offense is not centered around the running game. The run game is a compliment to the passing game in BAs offense.

You fix that by allowing him to roll out and not be a pocket QB because he never was one

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

What is even more stupid is trotting out a QB who can't even get his drops right yet so he can stare down his first read.

Well, like I said.. At least we know Thomas can accidentally throw a TD pass.

If not for garbage time Stanton would be looking at 3 games with no TD's

 

[conraddobler]

You fix that by allowing him to roll out and not be a pocket QB because he never was one

You fix it by coaching and praying he gets it.

Gimmicks are useless because they are gimmicks.

He's a career backup QB for a reason and the only way this season is going to amount to anything is if he and he alone rises above that status.

He doesn't have to be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning for us to do damage he has to be closer to Carson Palmer.

He has to get this for his own career sake and for the teams sake and he's the only good option so they will live or die by how well they can fix this part of his game.

They made this bed, upper management and coaching by not going out and getting a legit starting caliber player as insurance for Palmer either continuing to throw picks or as in this case getting hurt.

It was a very risky strategy to bet the season on an aging suspect Palmer, they bet it and lost.

It's not my job to shop for QB's they want, it's THEIR job and they said nope this is good enough we got this and you know what?

THEY WERE WRONG!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Has Stanton ever called an audible?

 

[desertdawg]

Has Stanton ever called an audible?

Oh yeah, many times.

 

[Chopper0080]

You fix it by coaching and praying he gets it.

Gimmicks are useless because they are gimmicks.

He's a career backup QB for a reason and the only way this season is going to amount to anything is if he and he alone rises above that status.

He doesn't have to be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning for us to do damage he has to be closer to Carson Palmer.

He has to get this for his own career sake and for the teams sake and he's the only good option so they will live or die by how well they can fix this part of his game.

They made this bed, upper management and coaching by not going out and getting a legit starting caliber player as insurance for Palmer either continuing to throw picks or as in this case getting hurt.

It was a very risky strategy to bet the season on an aging suspect Palmer, they bet it and lost.

It's not my job to shop for QB's they want, it's THEIR job and they said nope this is good enough we got this and you know what?

THEY WERE WRONG!

I agree with most of this. Stanton is a career backup for a reason. Where he struggles is with his intermediate accuracy which makes it tough to sustain drives. He also struggles to progress thru his reads. That being said, he can still be a good QB for us, and lead the team to wins but he has to become a bit more of a checkdown passer.

I don't know that their were too many other league backups that the Cards would have been better signing. Stanton is a decent backup when you have the threat of a running game, which we do not.

In the end, this team has holes on offense. Those holes are more glaring when the offense has key players out, and with a backup QB. It is an adjustment, and is up to the players to learn to deal with it. We will see if they can,

 

[conraddobler]

I agree with most of this. Stanton is a career backup for a reason. Where he struggles is with his intermediate accuracy which makes it tough to sustain drives. He also struggles to progress thru his reads. That being said, he can still be a good QB for us, and lead the team to wins but he has to become a bit more of a checkdown passer.

I don't know that their were too many other league backups that the Cards would have been better signing. Stanton is a decent backup when you have the threat of a running game, which we do not.

In the end, this team has holes on offense. Those holes are more glaring when the offense has key players out, and with a backup QB. It is an adjustment, and is up to the players to learn to deal with it. We will see if they can,

I watched the game that is a terrible defense we played, we could of run 20 yard out routes all day long and should have.

He seems to hit those and they were giving those but then we'd run and get two yards or throw over the middle and he'd get picked off.

At this point no matter what they want to do, they should just let him do what he can do.

As of now he can't throw it over the middle so don't ask him to throw over the middle or if you do change it to routes where they sit down and stop moving because he can't hit a moving target over the middle to save his life.

Throws are all too high or way behind or way in front of the WR. Hire Kurt to come in and teach him how to lead a player, do something but don't keep calling stupid plays he can't execute when the whole world knows he can't execute them.

I mean the other teams figured out what he can't do, our coaches job is to figure out that they have figured it out and be ready with something different.

I honestly think we're toast with finally just not enough offensive horsepower to get scoring out of this team. I think if Carson was here we'd struggle too without Fitz and without a legit RB.

I kind of like our rookie Grice a bit but the schemes and game plans are all wrong.

If I were coaching this team I think the number one thing to do right now is get out the playbook, start tearing out pages and filing them away for next year and weed it down to what we can do and then design some new ones for the personnel we have now.

All this is great and all but if I were coach I might just resign myself to the fact that we're too light on talent to go anywhere and focus on leaving everything as is as a form of continuity too.

If you love your system and your team is too hurt to go anywhere do you start taking a hatchet to it just to do better in a few games and then get destroyed in the playoffs or do you accept reality and focus on keeping what you want to do long term in the playbook?

I think he might be going the route of long term on this one because there are many creative ways you could do better if you wanted to get creative.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I mean the other teams figured out what he can't do, our coaches job is to figure out that they have figured it out and be ready with something different.
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Arians should know by now what Stanton can and can't do, you would think. He was ready to name him the starter when he first got here.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Logan Thomas was terrible at VTech and was as bad as any QB I have seen in his short stint against Denver. He shouldn't see the field for about 4 years, if then.

 

[Goldfield]

Wow some freaking out going on here. Thomas? Seriously? That's the dumbest thing you can do on a 9-3 team. 3-9, yes...

Stanton has been figured out. NFL defenses have made their adjustments, now our coach's and Stanton need to make theirs. Stanton has only played in a handful of games in his career. Let's see if he can learn and improve.

Maybe that Fitzgerald guy has a bigger impact that we want to admit?
Missing Fitz & Ellington. Does not help Stanton at all.

I agree Stanton is stinking it up right now. But he gives us the best chance to win. He needs to step it up. He has made big time throws early in the year. He needs to protect the ball and make plays when they are there.

 

[sunsfan88]

Logan Thomas has a 108.9 QB passer rating.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

Logan Thomas has a 108.9 QB passer rating.

Well then it's settled!

 

[desertdawg]

BA addresses the question of switching QBs

“That’s the dumbest damn question I’ve heard in my life, swear to God,” Arians said Wednesday, chuckling. “I had to laugh when I heard it on the radio. Really?
“That put a smile on my face. The guy is 3-3 as a starter in the National Football League and has played very well. He’s had a tough two games and the guys around him haven’t played very well. That’s part about being a quarterback and a coach. I’m surprised they’re not blaming me more. They should. I haven’t given (Stanton) enough stuff to win with. I take the blame for that, not Drew.”

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...In-Place/d8313b0a-a6cb-40f4-bb5e-d4e847b4c855

 

[Chopper0080]

“That’s the dumbest damn question I’ve heard in my life, swear to God,” Arians said Wednesday, chuckling. “I had to laugh when I heard it on the radio. Really?
“That put a smile on my face. The guy is 3-3 as a starter in the National Football League and has played very well. He’s had a tough two games and the guys around him haven’t played very well. That’s part about being a quarterback and a coach. I’m surprised they’re not blaming me more. They should. I haven’t given (Stanton) enough stuff to win with. I take the blame for that, not Drew.”

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...In-Place/d8313b0a-a6cb-40f4-bb5e-d4e847b4c855

Arians is correct.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

I love Arians to this point, the fact that he tabbed Stanton as his starter after taking this job worries me somewhat, He gets points back for nabbing Palmer when he had the chance..

I wonder what our record would have been with 2 full seasons of Stanton?

 

[Darkside]

I love Arians to this point, the fact that he tabbed Stanton as his starter after taking this job worries me somewhat, He gets points back for nabbing Palmer when he had the chance..

I wonder what our record would have been with 2 full seasons of Stanton?

Bit of an unfair question. I've been really hard on Stanton because I don't think he can lead us anywhere, at this point.

But back at that point, he would have gotten all the superior coaching Palmer got, all the playbook, all the first team reps, and the complete confidence of this team knowing he was our starter. He hasn't had any of that.

At this point of the year BA is deep in the playbook and has a QB that's isn't as developed. He doesn't have the first team reps nor the playbook knowledge at this point of the season. Nor the confidence of this team, since they knew he was a backup. All that makes a difference.