Effing Fire Whisenhunt!!!

[sportznutt]

I said it at the beginning of the season and I'll say it now....we're in a rebuilding year. We have the tools offensively and defensively, and with the right coaching staff to motivate them, we can do great things. Whiz should not be fired, but perhaps a new O and D co-ords will be needed.

 

[Duckjake]

NOt when you have the built in advantage of being at Texas. You can't tell me their talent isn't better than Mizzou, OK St, and everyone else in the Big 12 other than Oklahoma. I'm just saying teams have bad years. Once it becomes a trend, then I'd look at replacing Whiz.

Yes I can tell you that Texas' talent is below those teams. Look at Texas' #21. The guy has been starting since he was a freshman and he shouldn't have even been offered a scholarship to Texas. A solid player at Marshall or UTEP maybe but not Texas. That is how far off the talent level has dropped at UT. That happens in college when you have several years of NFL quality talent. Nobody wants to sit behind them for 3 years so they go elsewhere.

The Cards do not have that problem. Seattle can't talk college players into going there instead of Arizona. There is no reason an NFL team should ever fall off the map like the Cards have done this year. I could understand if they were just mediocre with Warner retiring but this team is not even competitive. Just a friggin' doormat.

 

[Rats]

Sorry, ain't buying any of it. I can see Whis has had to work with a terrible GM and a bad front office historically but he has taken the positive new stadium, division title, Super Bowl run, and rested on what DG brought in talent wise rather than build upon it and make us in to a perrienial NFC WEST power with a shot at playoff success. Haley and Warner gave us a magical offense that WHis has failed to duplicate( we are near dead last)and he has failed in fixing the Defense that is near dead last. He is a bad over all X and O coach and doesn't use the talent he has effectivly. They were a flash in the pan with Warner at QB and now they have handpicked guys tweedle dee and tweedle dum instead of giving Leinart his due. He also basically spearheaded getting very good talent out of here that made a difference and has not replaced it. This team is bad from top to bottom and needs to be rebuilt with someone that has a clue because it is obvious to anyone that wants to look that Ken the Whis can't beat anyone. He needs to go.

 

[Chopper0080]

The problem is that nobody on this team fears for their job. Easy solution, Whiz gives up play calling to Mike Miller, cut Levi Brown, and fire Bill Davis, letting Donnie Henderson take over for the season. This shows everyone in the organization that each individual is accountable for their play and is replaceable.

 

[Beaver]

Hire an OC, Fire Davis and Grimm. If nothing improves next year Whisenhunt should go also.

 

[Chopper0080]

This team is bad from top to bottom and needs to be rebuilt with someone that has a clue because it is obvious to anyone that wants to look that Ken the Whis can't beat anyone. He needs to go.

False. This team is talented, but it is under performing. Bad years happen, but you don't throw away a foundation that got you to a Super Bowl unless you are Al Davis. If you want snap decision moves based on a limited amount of information go root for the Raiders or the Redskins.

 

[Rats]

False. This team is talented, but it is under performing. Bad years happen, but you don't throw away a foundation that got you to a Super Bowl unless you are Al Davis. If you want snap decision moves based on a limited amount of information go root for the Raiders or the Redskins.

The point was that Whis has not built on the talent that he inherited and that got him to a Super Bowl. Yes there is mis used talent on this team. I am saying Whis is never going to win with it so let a better coach come in and build upon it because both O and D are terrible and terribly coached. Time for Whis and Graves to Go.

 

[Dayman]

Whis just needs someone around to tell him no once in a while. Both in the front office and on the coaching staff.

 

[Chopper0080]

The point was that Whis has not built on the talent that he inherited and that got him to a Super Bowl. Yes there is mis used talent on this team. I am saying Whis is never going to win with it so let a better coach come in and build upon it because both O and D are terrible and terribly coached. Time for Whis and Graves to Go.

I disagree, but I see what you are getting at.

 

[TJ]

The point was that Whis has not built on the talent that he inherited and that got him to a Super Bowl. Yes there is mis used talent on this team. I am saying Whis is never going to win with it so let a better coach come in and build upon it because both O and D are terrible and terribly coached. Time for Whis and Graves to Go.

Yea sure ok. Fire the guy who we just gave an extension to for 4 years $24 mil +/- (which is all guaranteed mind you). The guy who took an irrelevant franchise to two division titles and to the Superbowl. He also has yet to have a losing record as a Cards coach. The man has essentially pulled miracles with this franchise, such as resurrect the career of Warner. The mere thought of cutting Whisenhunt is unarguably ridiculous and anyone who thinks otherwise has little football credibility. You give the man one or two seasons to fix the issues. By then if the team is still in shambles, then your argument treads water and I will join you on your currently empty bandwagon.

 

[Duckjake]

Yea sure ok. Fire the guy who we just gave an extension to for 4 years $24 mil +/- (which is all guaranteed mind you). The guy who took an irrelevant franchise to two division titles and to the Superbowl. He also has yet to have a losing record as a Cards coach. The man has essentially pulled miracles with this franchise, such as resurrect the career of Warner. The mere thought of cutting Whisenhunt is unarguably ridiculous and anyone who thinks otherwise has little football credibility. You give the man one or two seasons to fix the issues. By then if the team is still in shambles, then your argument treads water and I will join you on your currently empty bandwagon.

I agree that it makes no sense to fire CKW but he has been in Arizona 3.5 years and the team is in shambles and with the #1 problem, QB, being the most difficult to fix in the short term what in the heck do we have to hang our Cards caps on?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sorry that doesn't hold any water with me. Hapless teams upset top teams all the time in the NFL. The 2003 team beat the Packers who made the playoffs and knocked the Vikings out of the playoffs.

that Packers wasn't as good as the Saints and that Vikings team was in the middle of a 5 of 6 game tailspin losing streak.

This years team is far worse because they have 3 times the talent the 2003 team had and will likely finish with the same record and probably match their dal in points allowed and points scored.

eh... i can't argue too much with this.

bottom line, we have the worst QB tandem possibly in the history of pro-football. however, they have been competitive on the road, which the 2003 team NEVER was. I guess that's a distinction.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I agree they will never fire Whiz...But we will not win more than 7 games the next 3 years unless we get Vick maybe MCNabb....But our team is declined so fast it is shocking. But Hey the Best Captain in the world was chosen to run the Titanic and it was unsinkable....yet he made some stupid calls and poof...history. We are the Titanic Cardinals.

 

[Zeno]

I agree that it makes no sense to fire CKW but he has been in Arizona 3.5 years and the team is in shambles and with the #1 problem, QB, being the most difficult to fix in the short term what in the heck do we have to hang our Cards caps on?

How come Whisenhunt didn't spend a mid-round pick on a QB his first couple of years rather than hold on to BSP or even go with 2 QBs like he did his first year? There might have been a chance to develop "HIS" guy since Leinart was so obviously not...we might have had less problems this offseason with 2 QBs who had been to multiple training camps on the roster.

We are going to be in the same boat next season, desperate for a veteran starting QB and a QBOF and will be having to hope we can either trade for someone or have to compete with other teams for services (meaning we either overpay or get outbid).

 

[Cards_Campos]

Everyone is saying the QB's......The problem is Whiz calling plays for each of them. It is mind boggling. DA should be throwing 30 yard passes down the middle not 2 yard dump passes...We marched down the field with Breaston running down the middle....Fitz should be running deep!!!!!! Fitz hasnt caught a pass longer than 25 yards all season!

 

[Cards_Campos]

How come Whisenhunt didn't spend a mid-round pick on a QB his first couple of years rather than hold on to BSP or even go with 2 QBs like he did his first year? There might have been a chance to develop "HIS" guy since Leinart was so obviously not...we might have had less problems this offseason with 2 QBs who had been to multiple training camps on the roster.

We are going to be in the same boat next season, desperate for a veteran starting QB and a QBOF and will be having to hope we can either trade for someone or have to compete with other teams for services (meaning we either overpay or get outbid).

Agreed ..why did we let BSP go??????

 

[MrYeahBut]

This kind of performance requires that you do something...I mean fire the freakin ball boy if you don't have the guts to fire Grimm or Davis.

As my dad used to say 'do something, even if it's wrong'. Some kind of shakeup is just mandatory, imo. Hell the 9ers fired their OC and they didn't quit even with Singletary as the coach

 

[Zeno]

Agreed ..why did we let BSP go??????

He sucks thats why. He'd be no better and possibly worse than DA

 

[Rats]

Yea sure ok. Fire the guy who we just gave an extension to for 4 years $24 mil +/- (which is all guaranteed mind you). The guy who took an irrelevant franchise to two division titles and to the Superbowl. He also has yet to have a losing record as a Cards coach. The man has essentially pulled miracles with this franchise, such as resurrect the career of Warner. The mere thought of cutting Whisenhunt is unarguably ridiculous and anyone who thinks otherwise has little football credibility. You give the man one or two seasons to fix the issues. By then if the team is still in shambles, then your argument treads water and I will join you on your currently empty bandwagon.

The extension is the only thing saving him. So saying he should be fired is ridculous as you say. No way the Bidwills will ever eat that much cash. Now he will have to go and find competent coordinators that can essentially run the team.He will need to demand that Graves is let go and get a GM that knows talent. This is what made me take a deep breath and get the blood pressure back down. I want him fired but that will not happen this season. I know this but I disagree that he resurrected Warners career, Haley did, I disagree that he pulled miracles with this franchise, again a top 5 offense led by Haley and Warner and not screwed up by Whis' crap play calling did. He is in no way innovative on O or D and can't evaluate talent worth a damn. He is in over his head and is nothing more than on borrowed time because the Bidwills are stupid and now the team and fans will pay for it for the next 2 years. I say avoid the rush and get a good seat. A few of us have been here all along. Love the Cards, Love going to the Super Bowl and winning divisions, Can't stand the greedy owners, the incompetent GM, and there choice for HeadCoach. Terrible choice then and terrible choice now IMO. Hell should have made Haley the headcoach and we would be winning with the talent that was here.

 

[MrYeahBut]

If Whiz doesn't do something to improve the coaching situation then it's his ass that's in a sling. I'd be thinking...hmmm should I really let myself be brought down by these dimwits????

If he isn't smart enough to figure that out, he ain't head coach material anyway.

 

[Zeno]

If Whiz doesn't do something to improve the coaching situation then it's his ass that's in a sling. I'd be thinking...hmmm should I really let myself be brought down by these dimwits????

If he isn't smart enough to figure that out, he ain't head coach material anyway.

 

[freebyrd]

Actually a voice of reason from a known hot head

thank you...thank you very much, disaster mellows me out

 

[freebyrd]

like he's doing the same thing and expecting different results. That's what is truly troubling to me

ahhhhh......the definition of insanity

 

[binkar]

But I though in Whiz we trust!?! Joking, but I am not yet on the "fire Whiz" bandwagon.

Hopefully he has learned that you are only as good as the coaching staff you build. If he is too arrogant, or ignorant, to recognize the need for better coordinators, then I'll be ready for him to go.

 

[TJ]

The extension is the only thing saving him. So saying he should be fired is ridculous as you say. No way the Bidwills will ever eat that much cash. Now he will have to go and find competent coordinators that can essentially run the team.He will need to demand that Graves is let go and get a GM that knows talent. This is what made me take a deep breath and get the blood pressure back down. I want him fired but that will not happen this season. I know this but I disagree that he resurrected Warners career, Haley did, I disagree that he pulled miracles with this franchise, again a top 5 offense led by Haley and Warner and not screwed up by Whis' crap play calling did. He is in no way innovative on O or D and can't evaluate talent worth a damn. He is in over his head and is nothing more than on borrowed time because the Bidwills are stupid and now the team and fans will pay for it for the next 2 years. I say avoid the rush and get a good seat. A few of us have been here all along. Love the Cards, Love going to the Super Bowl and winning divisions, Can't stand the greedy owners, the incompetent GM, and there choice for HeadCoach. Terrible choice then and terrible choice now IMO. Hell should have made Haley the headcoach and we would be winning with the talent that was here.

This is a natural knee jerk reaction to this game and the other three we lost consecutively. Cooler heads will prevail eventually. You do realize that Haley is not here if Whis does not come along, so by your logic, Whis actually did have an impact on his resurrection (even though my argument is that he had more of a direct impact than you want to give him credit for).

What I hate about this assertion is that no one gives credit for his past accomplishments and understands that this is the norm in the NFL. Many successful franchises suffer a losing season and need an offseason to pick up the pieces and move forward.

The logical solution is not to fire the HC, especially given the circumstances the FO had to deal with (massive turnover, especially at QB). Did Whis mishandle the QB situation? Absolutely. Should Whis hire an OC? Sure. Should Davis be fired tomorrow? Yes. Ill volunteer to drive him to Sky Harbor and fly his ass out.

Whisenhunt has earned the right to fix what has fallen apart. He, like all of us, make mistakes. If I were to screw up at work, I would hate to be fired w/o a 2nd chance. because basically this is what is being implied. Give him 1-2 years to figure this out. After that, the mindset of most fans will change.

Besides, who is your choice for a replacement? Remember, the franchise would eat approx. 18 mil with your decision, which would effect all personnel decisions. And Gruden and Cower are not coming here.