Seahawk fans feeling good about things

[MadCardDisease]

I'm not feeling good about this game at all.

Seahawks are strong at home.

Cardinals are starting an Undrafted RFA at QB.

Cardinals have an OL that is still a work in progress. Crowd noise will really be a problem for this unit.

Our defense really seems to struggle on the road against veteran QBs.



I think the Seahawks win this one easy. If this game is played at UoP then I think it's a different story.

 

[chickenhead]

I'm not scared. This is the Cards--I don't know what to think!

The noise at Qwest does concern me since our QB is making his second start ever. But if he did comprehend the playbook as fast as we're led to to believe (and we're running a limited set of plays) some of that may be mitigated.

Or we could always, you know, try to run the ball.

 

[Shane]

You obviously didn't read Hawkmandan's analysis close enough. The entire NFC starting unit for the Pro Bowl is going to be Seattle's defense.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'm not scared. This is the Cards--I don't know what to think!

The noise at Qwest does concern me since our QB is making his second start ever. But if he did comprehend the playbook as fast as we're led to to believe (and we're running a limited set of plays) some of that may be mitigated.

Or we could always, you know, try to run the ball.

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[Krangodnzr]

Washington state still sucks!

 

[Sandan]

Wow in checking some Seahawks sites, man are they arrogant.

Most of them are predicting 10-6 or better for the year, one even said 12-4 should be fairly easy

 

[MigratingOsprey]

I think you guys read way too much into this - i can expand a bit on the mentality of a seahawks fan .......... at a certain point you realize it just sucks being negative all the time .... so when the tides go well get jazzed about it, to the point of hyperbole ..... there is enough time to mope after it all falls apart

if they would of lost last week those predictions would be the opposite

it's a lot more fun to predict a 20 point win than a 2 point win

there were fans who expected lynch to go for 200 yards and 2 TDs last week .... in the 1st half

you need to sort through a lot of stuff which is just tongue in cheeck, over enthusiastic fans stuff

if they were in an environment other than an internet fan site where credibility actually mattered you'd see something else

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I'm a little suprised abut what I am reading here. Not so surprised about the Seahawks boards.

One thing people on this board should probably realize is getting blown out by ATL and SD on the road is one thing, but Seattle is a DIVISION OPPONENT. Anyone remember the last time we got blown out in a division game? Me either. Although Qwest is a tough place to play (and FWIW I am much more worried about Brandon Keith then Max Hall with the noise) 95% of the team knows whats coming. And we know their personnel for the most part too. Plain and simple we have matched up well with the Seahawks since Wiz came on board.

I am strangely confident going into this game. Its going to take a yeoman effort from Hall playing smart, but we don't lack for confidence and IIRC correctly we have beat this team 3 out of 4 times, with I think 2 of those being on the road. Including stomping a confident SEA team early in the season last year.

Seahawks fans will contend that was with Kurt Warner, but he never really lit it up in those games. It was always more defense and our OL pushing around the DL. We can't stop the run, but as much as they would have you think Lynch is Walter Payton all of a sudden, he only ran for 2.6 a pop last week. And their secondary is beat up while our WR's are getting healthy. Their #2 run defense isn't a big deal, because we are a pass heavy offense anyway. Even with Hall.

As for the Seahawks fans? They are delusional. One thing that drives me nuts about the NFL is how everyone overreacts week to week. Before last Sunday, 90% of Hawks fans were predicting getting blow out against Chicago. And despite their record, CHI flat out blows, so color me not impressed.

I hope they are feeling good about themselves and we hit them in the mouth. We might end up losing, but I for one would be suprised if its a blowout.

I'm calling 24-23, I'm just not sure which team ends up winning yet.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

and here is what bugs me about 90% of NFL fans ..... "we" aren't going to do a thing - just because fans are being fans doesn't change a single thing in the teams preparation

I also wouldn't say that it's the same personnel by a long shot - this game will feature 3 starters on the OL the cards haven't seen on the hawks, a featured RB they haven't seen on the hawks, a featured WR they haven't seen on the hawks, a starting FB they haven't seen on the hawks, 2 starting DEs they haven't seen on the hawks, a starting S they haven't seen, most of the DL rotation and secondary depth as well, special teams are vastly improved in both returns and coverage (and they haven't seen washington or tate with the hawks)

there are some similar faces, but the makeup and stategy of this team is definitely going in a different direction

past results really never ensure future results week to week .... let alone year to year - especially when there are so many changes

 

[desertdawg]

and here is what bugs me about 90% of NFL fans ..... "we" aren't going to do a thing - just because fans are being fans doesn't change a single thing in the teams preparation

I also wouldn't say that it's the same personnel by a long shot - this game will feature 3 starters on the OL the cards haven't seen on the hawks, a featured RB they haven't seen on the hawks, a featured WR they haven't seen on the hawks, a starting FB they haven't seen on the hawks, 2 starting DEs they haven't seen on the hawks, a starting S they haven't seen, most of the DL rotation and secondary depth as well, special teams are vastly improved in both returns and coverage (and they haven't seen washington or tate with the hawks)

there are some similar faces, but the makeup and stategy of this team is definitely going in a different direction

past results really never ensure future results week to week .... let alone year to year - especially when there are so many changes

Its a different team, much improved also. But the Seahawks still have the same QB. Thats one thing the Cards really have going for them.

 

[Sandan]

and here is what bugs me about 90% of NFL fans ..... "we" aren't going to do a thing - just because fans are being fans doesn't change a single thing in the teams preparation

I also wouldn't say that it's the same personnel by a long shot - this game will feature 3 starters on the OL the cards haven't seen on the hawks, a featured RB they haven't seen on the hawks, a featured WR they haven't seen on the hawks, a starting FB they haven't seen on the hawks, 2 starting DEs they haven't seen on the hawks, a starting S they haven't seen, most of the DL rotation and secondary depth as well, special teams are vastly improved in both returns and coverage (and they haven't seen washington or tate with the hawks)

there are some similar faces, but the makeup and stategy of this team is definitely going in a different direction

past results really never ensure future results week to week .... let alone year to year - especially when there are so many changes

So you are saying they will have a lack of timing and chemistry ?

 

[Duckjake]

and here is what bugs me about 90% of NFL fans ..... "we" aren't going to do a thing - just because fans are being fans doesn't change a single thing in the teams preparation

Speaking of using that term:

I have no problem with fans using we when referring to their favorite sports teams. Especially in those sports where fan involvement can impact the game but mostly because its just easier to type or say we than Arizona or Seattle or Cardinals or Seahawks and it doesn't hurt anybody.

I actually have more of a problem with people who are obsessed about it like one local talk show guy here who goes overboard rude when a caller says we instead of Longhorns or Texans.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I say "we" because I am a fan and this is my team. Not sure why that would irritate somebody. I am well aware my watching the game on the Sunday ticket will have little impact on the game. I am even worse about with my alma mater because my money went to that school and is very much a "we" situation. At least IMO.

Both teams have had turnover, but we know how to play the QB, Trufant still can't do anything about Fitz, we have seen all the LBs and most of the DL and OL. Also the confidence KNOWING we can go into Qwest and win is very important.

We'll see. As of now we own those boys. Lets see if they can do something about it come Sunday

 

[MigratingOsprey]

So you are saying they will have a lack of timing and chemistry ?

heh ... that was most seahawk fans going into the season .... it was panic and doom over all these changes

the vast majority were to depth with a few key upgrades .... but they are all still figuring it out though .... especially on the OL and the amount of procedure penalties by stacy andrews is driving me insane

 

[MigratingOsprey]

In football we often comes off as just a meatheaded thing to say .... it's usually boastful and self serving .... for me it often comes off as another step in the pathetic approach of gaining personal worth off the actions of grown adults

probably more sensitive to it from living in philly all these years (we kicked you ass, you can't stop us, you are a piece of crap, we are the best, we can't be beat, we are the toughest..........)

no - we all just bought a ticket .... they are the ones doing things

 

[Duckjake]

In football we often comes off as just a meatheaded thing to say .... it's usually boastful and self serving .... for me it often comes off as another step in the pathetic approach of gaining personal worth off the actions of grown adults

probably more sensitive to it from living in philly all these years (we kicked you ass, you can't stop us, you are a piece of crap, we are the best, we can't be beat, we are the toughest..........)

no - we all just bought a ticket .... they are the ones doing things

Except for one thing. We are the ones screaming so loud that the noise caused the right Guard to move early resulting in a penalty that killed an opponents drive. So no we don't just buy tickets. In fact the players and the coaches have often talked about how the fans helped them win. (Or in the case of SDS how the lack of fans didn't help. )

It isn't the "we" in your examples that is boastful or self serving etc... it is what follows.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

even though my team plays in the loudest stadium in the league ... the impact isn't that great

football has a pretty good homefield ... but good teams win and bad teams lose and fans never win over fans .... there is nothing tangible to be won

you aren't on the team jet, you aren't getting a paycheck and you aren't getting free equipment

players/coaches pump up fans because they pay the bills - it's good business to make them feel involved

don't get me wrong, a crowd can play a part and make things more difficult ...... but it's on the low end of the scale when determining impact

next time you say "we won" - think about what you actually won ...... aside from a warm fuzzy feeling that will be gone in short order, not much .... you'll never see a retrospective about a group of fans 20 years after a close game - "well, we knew it was a tough one ... cold air made breathing a little more painful, but we had to keep screaming through ... i knew if we could get one more false start the defense could put out the right package for the situation and we'd all walk away winning .... really had to dig deep to get it done and it took days to recover .... but we just had to stick to the gameplan of what worked all year..........."

 

[AzStevenCal]

In football we often comes off as just a meatheaded thing to say .... it's usually boastful and self serving .... for me it often comes off as another step in the pathetic approach of gaining personal worth off the actions of grown adults

probably more sensitive to it from living in philly all these years (we kicked you ass, you can't stop us, you are a piece of crap, we are the best, we can't be beat, we are the toughest..........)

no - we all just bought a ticket .... they are the ones doing things

It sounds to me like you're confusing "we and you" with "we kicked your butt and you suck". It's not the pronoun you really have a problem with, it's the claims that follow.

I think we all tire of the trash talking fools who truly derive their sense of worth from the accomplishments of others. But without them, the Cowboys would have to play in an empty stadium.

Steve

 

[Duckjake]

even though my team plays in the loudest stadium in the league ... the impact isn't that great

football has a pretty good homefield ... but good teams win and bad teams lose and fans never win over fans .... there is nothing tangible to be won

you aren't on the team jet, you aren't getting a paycheck and you aren't getting free equipment

players/coaches pump up fans because they pay the bills - it's good business to make them feel involved

don't get me wrong, a crowd can play a part and make things more difficult ...... but it's on the low end of the scale when determining impact

next time you say "we won" - think about what you actually won ...... aside from a warm fuzzy feeling that will be gone in short order, not much .... you'll never see a retrospective about a group of fans 20 years after a close game - "well, we knew it was a tough one ... cold air made breathing a little more painful, but we had to keep screaming through ... i knew if we could get one more false start the defense could put out the right package for the situation and we'd all walk away winning .... really had to dig deep to get it done and it took days to recover .... but we just had to stick to the gameplan of what worked all year..........."

Totally disagree. I and others who have made the transition from SDS to Glendale have seen first hand that the fans make a much larger contribution than what you credit.

I seriously doubt that the Cardinal coaches turned to each other in the middle of a playoff game and said smiling "this place is LOUD!" because they were hoping to be caught on camera and the shot would help to sell more tickets and merchandise.

BTW: Sometimes it does take days for us to recover.

 

[Duckjake]

It sounds to me like you're confusing "we and you" with "we kicked your butt and you suck". It's not the pronoun you really have a problem with, it's the claims that follow.

I think we all tire of the trash talking fools who truly derive their sense of worth from the accomplishments of others. But without them, the Cowboys would have to play in an empty stadium.

Steve

Now I totally agree with this.

 

[chickenhead]

I go back and forth between "the Cards" and "we." I agree with DuckJake, "we" is just easier sometimes, and sometimes referring to them in the third person feels a little to distance for the tone of the statement.

I would never say "We kicked your butt" (and would expect to be called out on it immediately). But I would say "we need a QB."

We do need a QB. The Cardinals don't just need a QB. I need them to have a QB.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

CH - I really don't have a problem with that type of usage so maybe AZStevenCal is correct

 

[cardsloco]

So I am chatting with folks on seahawkblue.com and they were telling me how our stadium is not loud at all. I mentioned that while we are not qwest field we can bring the noise when we have too. MigratingOsprey and many others were saying things like

"UoP is so not a loud stadium ......... i have so many casual conversations in that place"

LOL! I've been to the cards house and it is no home field advantage. I had no problem carrying on a conversation 8 rows up from the field.It's cute that u compare the two though!

I think that they are much more proud of their their fanbase then their football team. They have been cool over there though.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

loco - i've said that over here and obviously was met with disagreement

just like the cards @ hawks in 2002 peoploe were able to casually chat with the people around me when the oppositon was on defense

same with every game i've attended here (usually 2-3 per season)

granted I haven't been to a playoff game which does seem like it kicks up .... but week to week, play to play, on the average UoP just isn't that loud

doesn't make it bad - but you really can't compare the two, at least not right now on an every game basis

last couple of times I've been to Qwest you have to scream at the person next to you ... you'll lose your voice just trying to talk about plays and stuff ..... this doesn't just happen on 3rd down or big plays or against a divisional rival .... it's all game long

 

[82CardsGrad]

granted I haven't been to a playoff game which does seem like it kicks up .... but week to week, play to play, on the average UoP just isn't that loud

Uggghh... this again?? You're just wrong about this, ok? Qwest is louder - nobody debates that reality. I've been to 3 games at Qwest field over the past 3 years as I have in-laws with season tix up there. I will be the first to vouch for the noise level at Qwest. It's deafening - all the time!

However, your constant shirking of the reality that is UoP is simply old, and simply wrong...
I am a season ticket holder. I've been to plenty of games at plenty of the loudest venues across the country. And I contend that UoP is easily in the top 10, and more like top 5.
I have hosted friends and family since UoP first opened, and all were instantly blown away by the noise-level.

Enjoy the reality that Qwest is numero uno in terms of noise. Nobody is attempting to pull you down from that position. But likewise, just accept that the historically worst sports franchise on the planet has somehow developed a home field situation that is nipping at your heels!