Matt Leinart the 22nd best backup QB?

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That is the worst analysis of anything I have ever read. That list is terrible.

Thanks for the link Clif.
 
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Speak for yourself, he's better than Todd Collins, Chris Simms, and Jon Kitna.

I was trying to be nice. I would say that Kitna is probably better right now because he at least has thrown for 4,000 yards in this league.
 

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I saw that article and it confirmed to me that Don Banks is an idiot of the highest maginitude.
 

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This ranking was based on projections, so I guess Banks thinks Leinart will beat out BSP
 

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Speak for yourself, he's better than Todd Collins, Chris Simms, and Jon Kitna.
Agreed! I'd have him right around the top 5 along with Alex Smith. Very few of these QBs could start for any team, but I'm hoping Leinart has improved to the point where he would be a quality starter (more TDs than Ints). Chances are we may need him this year to do just that (tho I hope not).
 

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I saw that article and it confirmed to me that Don Banks is an idiot of the highest maginitude.

No it is just Leinart doesn't play on the east coast.

SI = East coast sports reporting.
 

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/08/20/backups/index.html

Come on now. We all know Leinart is not in the top 5 or 10, but 22nd? Behind Sage Rosefelds? Brodie Croyle? Chad Henne? This list is beyond dumb.
Chad Henne is slated to be the starter next season and word on the street is Brodie Croyle is outperforming Cassel and Haley is ready to make him starter. So at least those two make sense. And I think Leinart is at 22 just for the sake of putting all the draft busts in the same area.
 

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One caveat: After the top 10 or so, this list is a collection of quarterbacks who have either never proven they can do it in the NFL (see Leinart, Matt), or they're just career journeyman in the Josh McCown mold. As always, your results may vary.
Wow, Banks just does not like anyone who's ever worn the 'red' does he?
By the way, I think it would have looked better like this:
One caveat: After the top 10 or so, this list is a collection of quarterbacks who have either never proven they can do it in the NFL (see Leinart, Matt), or they're just career journeyman (see McCown, Josh). As always, your results may vary.
Parallel sentence structure Don. It's our friend.
 

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Chad Henne is slated to be the starter next season and word on the street is Brodie Croyle is outperforming Cassel and Haley is ready to make him starter. So at least those two make sense. And I think Leinart is at 22 just for the sake of putting all the draft busts in the same area.
I've heard Croyle's beating Thigpen, but hadn't heard anything about Cassel. What's the source?
 

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22nd best back up?? There are at least 10 NFL teams that would rather have ML as the starter than their current QB.

Most of this is simply based on those BS reports that he was "competing" with BSP for the back up position.
 

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My own version
1. Garcia's in the right system to make noise. No issue there.
2. Sorgi lives and breathes his system and the Colts have never tried to replace him. Say hello to Gary Kubiak part 2.
3. Vick can come off the bench and string together some wins, you just don't want his inconsistency for the entire season, but did the time off hurt his physical madness?
4. Derek Anderson is too low and a lot of the offensive issues didn’t start or end with him.
5. Sage is underrated by many and most people focus on his most recent lowlight.
6. I love Seneca, but I think he's a little overrated on Banks list (both he and Sage are IA State guys, coincidentally). I thought with some seasoning he would be a starter. He may be still, but like Garcia it’s West-coast or bust.
7. Redman has a star crossed path, but the last time he started he put together a pretty good run. If something happens to Ryan the Falcons aren’t lost.
8. Culpepper probowl height, blooper reel depth. Another year healthier shouldn’t hurt, nor does having Calvin Johnson.
9. Henne has looked great in limited action and will make a strong case to be a starter.
10. Billy Volek did well off the Titans bench back in the day hooking up with the now-done Drew Bennett for some sick deep ball yards. Playing in the QB-friendly Norv Turner offense will keep that production up.
11. Leinart, Banks may have knocked Matt’s consistency, which is true to an extent, but throwing for 400+ in a game your rookie season means you can play at the level. Spending as much time in the offensive system as he has doesn’t hurt either.
12. Troy Smith (from that dammed Ohio St) is a guy who deserves more time but won’t get it.
13-14. It's hard to say where Kitna's at physically, the same for Simms (but for different reasons). Both are too high on Banks’ list.
15. Clemmens showed a bit here and there, but couldn’t lock down a starting job.
16. Batch is one of the toughest old birds ever. But I can't not see him as a Lion, which doesn't help him.
17. Boller has an incredibly strong arm and good mobility, but just couldn’t seem to get it together in BAL. I don’t know if his situation is any better in St.L, but he could win and look just good enough to create a controversy.
18. Croyle it’s hard to say how Croyle’s really been doing. KC’s had all kinds of issues, but I’ve heard he’s been having a pretty good camp. I’m not sure just how good ‘good’ is, but he’s a one-time starter with the physical tools to win a game off the bench.
19. Carr his shell-shocking from the Texans is legendary, no one was sacked more in that span, and his brief stopover with the Panthers wasn’t much better, but he showed some recovery in limited action with New York but still has to get the ball out faster.
20. Walter he gets a break by being a Patriot, the Patriots didn’t get a break signing him. Remember Rohan Davey?
21. Flynn could be pretty good one day, but he’s still pretty young and raw. He’s got to forget most of what got him by in college.
22. Fitzpatrick was completely underwhelming with the Bengals. He surprised a lot of people as a Ram a few years ago, but was quickly figured out.
23. Brunell, aside from a one-year aberration with the Skins, his arm has been cooked for a while, but he’d still try to place it as if he had something left.
24-25. Bros. McCown Luke’s got better stats, but Josh has better athleticism. Neither appears to be able to take what they have very far.
26-27. Collins and Bouman are practically the same guy. Both old timers. Collins’ recent success in Washington should probably put him higher on the list, but you should see some of Brennan’s games last preseason (I’ve not gotten the chance to watch him this year yet).
28. Orlovsky needs to be lower I watched him orchestrate a lot of train wreck last year.
30. Young looks like he can’t run a pro system and can’t run the option system the coaches installed for him. He flashes occasionally, but doesn’t seem to do enough of anything well enough to look like he can stay in the league (he’s fast, but not fast enough, he can throw, but not with supreme accuracy or velocity).
31. O’Sullivan barely a backup and one of those times when the vaunted Martz system didn’t produce a star.
32. Hanie not enough information to elevate him.
 

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Thanks for the write-up Super-Spck. Don't agree with all of it but I certainly appreciate the hard work and good read.

2. Sorgi lives and breathes his system and the Colts have never tried to replace him. Say hello to Gary Kubiak part 2. Good comparison. I don't think Sorgi will ever do anything but accelerate his departure if he ever has to play.

5. Sage is underrated by many and most people focus on his most recent lowlight. My early prediction is that the Vikings are going to be very happy they signed him by the end of the year.

7. Redman has a star crossed path, but the last time he started he put together a pretty good run. If something happens to Ryan the Falcons aren’t lost. I've been very impressed and surprised with Redman and it just helps punctuate how getting out of Baltimore is probably the best move any of those QB's could have made.

11. Leinart, Banks may have knocked Matt’s consistency, which is true to an extent, but throwing for 400+ in a game your rookie season means you can play at the level. Spending as much time in the offensive system as he has doesn’t hurt either. I know I'll get killed for this but Leinart threw the ball 51 times that day. 405 yards on 51 attempts is not something that everyone should be pointing to as an indicator of his potential. He also only threw 1 TD that day in 51 attempts. Since that day, he hasn't surpassed 300 yards in a game. I think the Cardinals are in good shape at QB but that 400 yard day didn't mean much then and it's been a long time since it happened.

13-14. It's hard to say where Kitna's at physically, the same for Simms (but for different reasons). Both are too high on Banks’ list. Kitna is finally right where he should be. I think he is a really good insurance plan but he doesn't need to be a starter. Simms has looked really good in brief appearances since coming back from the spleen injury. I'd really like to see him get some rep's, especially for a team not coached by Gruden.

20. Walter he gets a break by being a Patriot, the Patriots didn’t get a break signing him. Remember Rohan Davey? I'll see your Rohan and raise you a Quinn Gray. Both those guys looked far better than they turned out to be. Not sure Walter falls into that category but I haven't got to see him with NE yet.

31. O’Sullivan barely a backup and one of those times when the vaunted Martz system didn’t produce a star. I think O'Sullivan was saddled with unrealistic expectations coupled with being put in a high risk offense. From what I've heard, he's looked pretty sharp for the Bengals. Don't know if he'll ever make a good starter but his SF stint is a bit of an unfair barometer.
 
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