What is Warner worth?

[WildBB]

IF Warner leads the Cardinals back to the Super Bowl, how much is that worth for ONE SEASON?

 

[Shogun]

Do we win the SB?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

16 Vestal Virgins and a sack of turnips.

 

[WildBB]

Do we win the SB?

It's an incentive in the contract for leading this team back to the SB.

 

[WildBB]

16 Vestal Virgins and a sack of turnips.

Procol Harum?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I didn't think more than 10 million until I saw Kerry Collins get paid 7.5 a season. Now I put 11 or 12.

 

[IAWarnerFan]

$10-12M base contract and up to $15M if you want to offer incentives. It'd be difficult to put a $ tag on the incentives I'd offer tho. One is the option of being a QB coach when he retires. I don't have a huge problem giving him around what he's asking for if incentives count. I just don't want us taking that big of a cap hit.

 

[WildBB]

I didn't think more than 10 million until I saw Kerry Collins get paid 7.5 a season. Now I put 11 or 12.

OK. Here's another question. With that 12M in the first year guaranteed, how much do you guarantee him the 2nd year to bring him back here?

From what I gathered the Cardinals are offering about 20-21M for two seasons but I don't know how much guaranteed money that entails? I don't think it's the entire amount.

 

[FArting]

10 million

 

[ajcardfan]

A guaranteed return to the Super Bowl? That's beyond anything up there as far as I'm concerned. They could spend every single penny they have left on Warner if it GUARANTEED a trip back to the Super Bowl.

Of course, there's no guarantee, so I think 10 - 11 is a fair deal for Warner.

 

[WildBB]

A guaranteed return to the Super Bowl? That's beyond anything up there as far as I'm concerned. They could spend every single penny they have left on Warner if it GUARANTEED a trip back to the Super Bowl.

Of course, there's no guarantee, so I think 10 - 11 is a fair deal for Warner.

No, beyond the base 10-11M salary of what the Cardinals are offering, what number above that figure (if any) would you give as an incentive IN THE CONTRACT for leading this team back to an NFC Championship and a return trip to the Super Bow? That is the question.

 

[WildBB]

So for all of the following, are you ready to risk losing Warner and a legitimate shot at another SB run, if we don't offer more than that for 2009?


10 Million -
azsportsfan31, earthsci, Second Deck, Stewie Griffin, TigToad

11 Million -
abomb, AntSports Steve, AZ Native, azdad1978, bg7brd, binkar, cardfan, Cardinal Bob, Chris_Sanders, gamebird98, General Chaos, hafey, PJ1, TJ UofA2004, Toro

 

[Ryanwb]

Where's the option for a contract reflective of Kerry Collins'? Kurts worth $6-$7 million a year with little guaranteed money. What happened to the Kurt Warner that for no good reason would just put the ball on the turf? Moreover when will the player that people in St Louis called "Hurt Warner" reappear?

Lighting was captured in a bottle last season, it's not going to happen again

 

[lobo]

I have a hard time with the I was underpaid in past years....well why sign and out up a stink then. He was terrific this past season and should get a hefty increase for it.

He should look beyond his playing days and see where a veryu nice media and endorsement deal might be....one losing year up north??? I don't think so. I still would like to see what we have with Matt and not totally break the bank with Kurt.

 

[ajcardfan]

No, beyond the base 10-11M salary of what the Cardinals are offering, what number above that figure (if any) would you give as an incentive IN THE CONTRACT for leading this team back to an NFC Championship and a return trip to the Super Bow? That is the question.

The first born of each Cardinals fan sounds about right.

 

[WildBB]

Where's the option for a contract reflective of Kerry Collins'? Kurts worth $6-$7 million a year with little guaranteed money. What happened to the Kurt Warner that for no good reason would just put the ball on the turf? Moreover when will the player that people in St Louis called "Hurt Warner" reappear?

Lighting was captured in a bottle last season, it's not going to happen again

Warner's played very solidly for the most part for 1 1/2 seasons now. With the success the team enjoyed it would make more sense to give them one more shot at it the following season.

That player You referred to will reappear once or twice a season. But he's shown the ability to shrug it off and have games like the NFC Championship game and to minimize mistakes throughout the playoffs, with some semblance of a running game to support the offense.

 

[WildBB]

The first born of each Cardinals fan sounds about right.

Or the plagues start to happen?!

 

[Ryanwb]

Warner's played very solidly for the most part for 1 1/2 seasons now. With the success the team enjoyed it would make more sense to give them one more shot at it the following season.

I tend to look at things from more of a business prospective and don't believe this team is in the "win now" mentality as most of the core players are young. Moreover the salary demands of Warner may impact the ability to add (and also replace) key players that would make a repeat season much more likely to occur

 

[WildBB]

I have a hard time with the I was underpaid in past years....well why sign and out up a stink then. He was terrific this past season and should get a hefty increase for it.

He should look beyond his playing days and see where a veryu nice media and endorsement deal might be....one losing year up north??? I don't think so. I still would like to see what we have with Matt and not totally break the bank with Kurt.

That's the thing, I don't think it will break the bank. 11 Million guaranteed for 2009. It's pretty much what they're offering him anyway right now. 2M more in incentives if he leads the team to another Championship. I'd say it's worth it for the org.

The dicey part is what are he and his agent are requiring for the 2nd yr. of the deal in guaranteed $$$$~! And what are the 9ers willing to give him that year!?

 

[WildBB]

I tend to look at things from more of a business prospective and don't believe this team is in the "win now" mentality as most of the core players are young. Moreover the salary demands of Warner may impact the ability to add (and also replace) key players that would make a repeat season much more likely to occur

Possibly on the salary demands. We don't know all the specifics of a two year deal.

If the Cardinals offered 20-21M guaranteed for two years, that's tough to beat , I'll grant that.

But maybe if they put some ADDED incentive on the deal (TAKE THE TEAM BACK TO THE SB)!? That's what this thread was about, if the board here would be open to giving him that kind of deal. So far the response is no.

 

[moklerman]

Lighting was captured in a bottle last season, it's not going to happen again

Lightning had to be captured because the running game was ineffective and the defense was inconsistent. And how many times does lightning have to strike Warner before he's considered something other than lucky or the beneficiary of everyone else's talents?

 

[TigToad]

I think our Super Bowl run was miraculous. We went 9-7, earned the 4th seed and had a 3rd round home game for the first time in NFL history (for a 4th seed). We didn't have to play in a cold weather stadium.

We took _advantage_ of that opportunity, shined, and created memories that, together, count as one of the best one month periods in my life.

Warner didn't get us there alone. Already, the bar is set in the Cardinal's fans mind, that the Superbowl was an expectation of these playoffs last year. Honestly, it shouldn't have been. They over achieved (and i love them for it!).

Warner could keep us at the same level... 9-7, 10-6, 11-5 ? Sure... I believe. I also believe the 49ers will be better (7-9 this year - remember a couple years ago if we beat the Niners twice we were in the play offs? This year if we lost to them twice, we were out...)

Warner didn't turn a 4-12 team into a 9-7 team. He had that chance 4 years ago. He was one very valuable piece of extra talent, coached by Whiz that turned this team around from a 8-8 team to a 9-7 team.

If we want to return to the Superbowl (and we all do), we need to build enough of a talent pool to become that 11-5 team, get more home games... win a few more close ones, reduce the blow outs. Should Kurt be a valuable piece of that? Yes. How big of a piece is he, really? That is the question.. and in the NFL that question gets answered with dollars. I say a $10 million dollar piece.

So for all of the following, are you ready to risk losing Warner and a legitimate shot at another SB run, if we don't offer more than that for 2009?


10 Million -
azsportsfan31, earthsci, Second Deck, Stewie Griffin, TigToad

11 Million -
abomb, AntSports Steve, AZ Native, azdad1978, bg7brd, binkar, cardfan, Cardinal Bob, Chris_Sanders, gamebird98, General Chaos, hafey, PJ1, TJ UofA2004, Toro

 

[Cody]

warner isn't worth a strand of my armpit hair

 

[Ryanwb]

Lightning had to be captured because the running game was ineffective and the defense was inconsistent. And how many times does lightning have to strike Warner before he's considered something other than lucky or the beneficiary of everyone else's talents?

I guess this converstation is unfair because it pits Cardinals fans against Cardinals fans. I don't think anyone doubts Kurt's abilities, rather if he is the go-foward answer for this team at his age and salary demands

 

[Chris_Sanders]

OK. Here's another question. With that 12M in the first year guaranteed, how much do you guarantee him the 2nd year to bring him back here?

From what I gathered the Cardinals are offering about 20-21M for two seasons but I don't know how much guaranteed money that entails? I don't think it's the entire amount.

Well I would pay him 22 million, with 11 million guaranteed. That would put the cap hit for cutting him after one year at 5.5

Incentives I don't mind:

$500,000 for starting 14 or more games.
$500,000 for making the pro bowl.
$1,000,000 for making the Superbowl.

So you would end up with between 11 and 13 million a year.