Fitzgerald: Go back and watch the first 8 games of the season.

[dreamcastrocks]

What does your one post have to do with the entire thread?

That one post is a pretty good summary of my opinion of the thread. The original post of the thread left a LOT to be desired anyway. If you are implying that, I agree.

Besides, we don't need another Fitz vs. Boldin thread to know that Boldin is a fan favorite.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Wasnt it torn muscle in his hip?>

Pretty positive it was both. Fractured hip and partially torn hip flexor.

 

[CardLogic]

Pretty positive it was both. Fractured him and partially torn hip flexor.

Correct. It was confirmed following the end of the season that Boldin had a fracture in his hip (the pelvis, I believe).

 

[BigRedRage]

Correct. It was confirmed following the end of the season that Boldin had a fracture in his hip (the pelvis, I believe).

Amazing how ever year he earns that superman cape even more.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The Cards are a whopping 24-40 during Fitzgerald's tenure in Arizona.

Come on.

How does that stat hold ANY weight ? Pick any Cardinal player that has been on the team in the last 40 years and you can say the Cardinals have had a losing record since being with the squad.

20th best reciever ? I won't even go there.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Fitz played the last quarter of the season with a severe hamstring injury that was leaving him limping back to the huddle every play.

Maybe if Anquan was a little smarter with how he used his body (like Fitz is), he would be able to help the team 16 games a season instead of 12, and be effective in all of them.

THANK YOU.

That was just a ridiculous statement.

Plus we have more than one instance of Fitzgerald draggin guys into the endzone.

This anti-Fitz stuff is getting stupid. It is causing football smart people on this board to say very stupid things, that make entirely no sense.

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Come on.

How does that stat hold ANY weight ? Pick any Cardinal player that has been on the team in the last 40 years and you can say the Cardinals have had a losing record since being with the squad.

20th best reciever ? I won't even go there.

Why doesn't that hold any weight when the organization is about to make this guy the top non paid player in the entire freaking league?

Example: The Colts were something like 17-47 the 4 years prior to Peyton Mannings arrival and more of a moribund franchise than the Cardinals. The first 4 years after drafting Manning the team was something like 36-28. That is a 19 game swing. The 4 years prior to the Boldidn/Fitz era with recievers like Bryan Gilmore and Martay Jenkins the Cardinals went 22-42. A whopping 2 game improvement.

Sorry, but the win/loss record does matter especially since most fans think these guys (Fitz/Boldin) are in the same breath as a Peyton Manning. Their impact on what matter most (wins/losses) sure doesn't show that.

 

[BigRedRage]

But to say anquan should pay more attention to his body is just rediculous. Should he just lay down instead of crushing through safeties? Q's style of play is how every single player should play. I assure you that if Q caught a pass and went down instead of taking a hit you would critisize him for that too.

 

[ajcardfan]

Sorry, but the win/loss record does matter especially since most fans think these guys (Fitz/Boldin) are in the same breath as a Peyton Manning. Their impact on what matter most (wins/losses) sure doesn't show that.

Total horse puckey. Most fans? No way. Maybe their moms.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But to say anquan should pay more attention to his body is just rediculous. Should he just lay down instead of crushing through safeties? Q's style of play is how every single player should play. I assure you that if Q caught a pass and went down instead of taking a hit you would critisize him for that too.

True, kinda. He might be able to play more games if he were to do that, but he wouldn't be Boldin.

It's like making Michael Vick a pocket passer.

 

[BigRedRage]

exactly. Im still amazed at the comment. "well, if Q wouldnt smash through guys and will his way into the endzone maybe he wouldnt get hurt"

Yeah, maybe he would suck too. Basically saying you want arrington at receiver. Catch it and fall ASAP, a safety is on his way.

 

[DaisyCutter]

But to say anquan should pay more attention to his body is just rediculous. Should he just lay down instead of crushing through safeties? Q's style of play is how every single player should play. I assure you that if Q caught a pass and went down instead of taking a hit you would critisize him for that too.

Q falls down at first contact all the time. Yes, the one or two long runs-after-the-catch that he does during each season are breathtaking, but he has to do that because he can't get separation from cornerbacks or outrun safeties. And it kills his body.

DCR is exactly right that he would definitely miss fewer games, but he wouldn't be the player that we all love. But the difference between the first down receptions between He-Man Anquan Boldin and Dive-Monkey Larry Fitzgerald is 2%. 2 extra first downs per season, basically.

The RAC yards are impressive, but WRs are paid to move the chains, score TDs, and get first downs. I would rather have the guy who is going to be able to do that for 15 or 16 games a season for 8 or 10 more years, than the guy who will do it for 10 or 12 games a season for 5 more years.

The arguement in favor of Anquan Boldin is wholly qualitative, but I don't think his intangibles make up for his injury risk and the problem that he only excels in production in a handful of games per season. Larry Fitzgerald will be paid more because he deserves to be.

Anquan Boldin is 28 years old, has had two serious knee surgeries, and broken his hip and separated muscle tissue from his hip. He's a running back playing WR. We all love to watch him play, but running backs have short careers. I don't think that Anquan Boldin has more than 5 years left in his body if he continues his current style of play.

 

[DaisyCutter]

exactly. Im still amazed at the comment. "well, if Q wouldnt smash through guys and will his way into the endzone maybe he wouldnt get hurt"

Yeah, maybe he would suck too. Basically saying you want arrington at receiver. Catch it and fall ASAP, a safety is on his way.

Q in 4 years: 20 TDs
Fitz in 4 years: 32 TDs.

It's 6 points either way. I'll take the guy that scores more of them.

 

[BigRedRage]

Q in 4 years: 20 TDs
Fitz in 4 years: 32 TDs.

It's 6 points either way. I'll take the guy that scores more of them.

This is another thing, I always see people say fitz is better in the red zone, more td's, etc....

Statistics show Boldin catching more touchdowns whenever I look.

edit: I read it again and see you are talking already made stats, but Q has been in the league 6 years right?

and even if, didnt boldin earn most the yards getting fitz near the endzone? :wink:

 

[Shane]

This is another thing, I always see people say fitz is better in the red zone, more td's, etc....

Statistics show Boldin catching more touchdowns whenever I look.

edit: I read it again and see you are talking already made stats, but Q has been in the league 6 years right?

and even if, didnt boldin earn most the yards getting fitz near the endzone? :wink:

5

 

[Mulli]

5

20 tds in 5 years for Q? 32 in 4 for Fitz?


Where is K9?

 

[DaisyCutter]

This is another thing, I always see people say fitz is better in the red zone, more td's, etc....

Statistics show Boldin catching more touchdowns whenever I look.

When do you look? Only after games when Anquan Boldin scores a TD and Larry Fitzgerald doesn't?

In 2007, Fitz scored 10 TDs. Anquan Boldin scored 9.
In 2006, Fitz scored 6 TDs. Anquan Boldin scored 4.
In 2005, Fitz scored 10 TDs. Anquan Boldin scored 7.
In 2004, Fitz scored 8 TDs (as a rookie). Anquan Boldin "willed his way to the end zone" just twice.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

4 years = 34 TDs
5 years = 29 TDs

 

[BigRedRage]

When do you look? Only after games when Anquan Boldin scores a TD and Larry Fitzgerald doesn't?

In 2007, Fitz scored 10 TDs. Anquan Boldin scored 9.
In 2006, Fitz scored 6 TDs. Anquan Boldin scored 4.
In 2005, Fitz scored 10 TDs. Anquan Boldin scored 7.
In 2004, Fitz scored 8 TDs (as a rookie). Anquan Boldin "willed his way to the end zone" just twice.

Doesnt look like a major difference to me considering injuries.

 

[Shane]

Q falls down at first contact all the time. Yes, the one or two long runs-after-the-catch that he does during each season are breathtaking, but he has to do that because he can't get separation from cornerbacks or outrun safeties. And it kills his body.

DCR is exactly right that he would definitely miss fewer games, but he wouldn't be the player that we all love. But the difference between the first down receptions between He-Man Anquan Boldin and Dive-Monkey Larry Fitzgerald is 2%. 2 extra first downs per season, basically.

The RAC yards are impressive, but WRs are paid to move the chains, score TDs, and get first downs. I would rather have the guy who is going to be able to do that for 15 or 16 games a season for 8 or 10 more years, than the guy who will do it for 10 or 12 games a season for 5 more years.

The arguement in favor of Anquan Boldin is wholly qualitative, but I don't think his intangibles make up for his injury risk and the problem that he only excels in production in a handful of games per season. Larry Fitzgerald will be paid more because he deserves to be.

Anquan Boldin is 28 years old, has had two serious knee surgeries, and broken his hip and separated muscle tissue from his hip. He's a running back playing WR. We all love to watch him play, but running backs have short careers. I don't think that Anquan Boldin has more than 5 years left in his body if he continues his current style of play.

Q is 27 not 28 and he is exactly 2 years and 10 months older then Fitz. Which isnt that big of an age difference.

He does catch TD's a slightly higher rate but that is about all. When we finally had a season with a real QB under center for the whole year Q had 9 and Fitz had 10. Yet Q missed 3 full games.

You want someone who moves the chains? Thats is Anquan Boldin and his RAC which is far superior is a big part of that. He may break 2-3 "breathless" ones a year. But there are many more that are vital and important that get the chains moved. He is also a leader on the field both with his play and the way he carries himself. Fitz not so much.

Fitz two years running has had Hammy problems. Those can become chronic and cause players to miss their fair share of games.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Q is 27 not 28 and he is exactly 2 years and 10 months older then Fitz. Which isnt that big of an age difference.

He does catch TD's a slightly higher rate but that is about all. When we finally had a season with a real QB under center for the whole year Q had 9 and Fitz had 10. Yet Q missed 3 full games.

You want someone who moves the chains? Thats is Anquan Boldin and his RAC which is far superior is a big part of that. He may break 2-3 "breathless" ones a year. But there are many more that are vital and important that get the chains moved. He is also a leader on the field both with his play and the way he carries himself. Fitz not so much.

Fitz two years running has had Hammy problems. Those can become chronic and cause players to miss their fair share of games.

The age on their body is about 5 years apart IMO.

 

[Mulli]

Q is 27 not 28 and he is exactly 2 years and 10 months older then Fitz. Which isnt that big of an age difference.

He does catch TD's a slightly higher rate but that is about all. When we finally had a season with a real QB under center for the whole year Q had 9 and Fitz had 10. Yet Q missed 3 full games.

You want someone who moves the chains? Thats is Anquan Boldin and his RAC which is far superior is a big part of that. He may break 2-3 "breathless" ones a year. But there are many more that are vital and important that get the chains moved. He is also a leader on the field both with his play and the way he carries himself. Fitz not so much.

Fitz two years running has had Hammy problems. Those can become chronic and cause players to miss their fair share of games.

What is your point?

 

[Shane]

What is your point?

You decide.

 

[joeshmo]

Noone was anywhere near to dragging someone down, fitz was open for 6 points.

Q>fitz. period.

Since you put the period at that end of it it must be so.

 

[BigRedRage]

they both have issues, some like one more than the other, Ill take Q without hesitation. our "last for 5 million years because of not being hit alot" guy should be a burner to help boldin, like M harrison, beat them, catch it, fall out of bounds.