The Official Diamondbacks Offseason Thread

[coyoteshockeyfan]

IMO he is the best SP available this offseason. Santana, Willis, Haren, Garland aren't even close. He is a LHP throwing mid to high 90's, led the AL in K's which he will eventually lead the majors very soon and he is only 23 years old.

Wait, do you mean Johan or Ervin? If its the former, then I'd disagree.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Wait, do you mean Johan or Ervin? If its the former, then I'd disagree.

I'm probably the only one here who feels this way Yotes, but I'd take Kazmir over Johan..

 

[overseascardfan]

Wait, do you mean Johan or Ervin? If its the former, then I'd disagree.

I meant both. Kazmir is younger and is just as dominant as Johan. I would rather have Kazmir over Johan and I'm pretty sure D'Back Jay will agree.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Kazmir is 5 years younger and more importantly (IMO), further away from payday, but if I'm thinking that my team is one starter away from a shot at the WS, I'm still going with Santana. An ERA of 3.33 last season to go with a 1.073 WHIP (Kazmir posted a 1.379), ERA+ of 130 (same value as Kazmir last season) to go along with 235 punchouts. And that was considered a down year. His performance over the last six seasons in mindboggling, I don't think anybody comes close to what he has done in that timespan. If I had the choice (where as the Diamondbacks don't have a realistic shot at either, really), I'm cashing in with the sure thing.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Kazmir is 5 years younger and more importantly (IMO), further away from payday, but if I'm thinking that my team is one starter away from a shot at the WS, I'm still going with Santana. An ERA of 3.33 last season to go with a 1.073 WHIP (Kazmir posted a 1.379), ERA+ of 130 (same value as Kazmir last season) to go along with 235 punchouts. And that was considered a down year. His performance over the last six seasons in mindboggling, I don't think anybody comes close to what he has done in that timespan. If I had the choice (where as the Diamondbacks don't have a realistic shot at either, really), I'm cashing in with the sure thing.

That's the whole thing though CHF.. I don't think this team is just one player away from a World Series ring, and I think when you look at what Santana's going to fetch in return, and the fact that he hits free agency next year and is going to command a contract far out of the reach of what Arizona's going to be willing to offer, it's to me not worth it.

When you consider the fact that the Mets inquired about Santana and were told "unless you are offering Reyes or Wright, don't waste our time", I can only imagine that the Twins are looking at Young or Upton just to start. To me, gutting the farm system for a one season rental is counter productive to everything Josh Byrnes has built so far.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

That's the whole thing though CHF.. I don't think this team is just one player away from a World Series ring, and I think when you look at what Santana's going to fetch in return, and the fact that he hits free agency next year and is going to command a contract far out of the reach of what Arizona's going to be willing to offer, it's to me not worth it.

When you consider the fact that the Mets inquired about Santana and were told "unless you are offering Reyes or Wright, don't waste our time", I can only imagine that the Twins are looking at Young or Upton just to start. To me, gutting the farm system for a one month rental is counter productive to everything Josh Byrnes has built so far.

I meant that I would take Santana over Kazmir for a hypothetical team, not the Diamondbacks as they don't have a real shot at either (ie I was just giving an alternate opinion to overseas who said that Kazmir is the "best SP available this offseason"). You'll get no arguments from me when you say that the Diamondbacks attempting to trade for Santana would be counterproductive.

 

[Sunshooter]

Did D'Backs want a asian?

I think Kosuke Fukudome (1B/OF, no posting fee) and Hiroki Kuroda (SP) will fit to the team.

And pay attention to Yu Darvish , if he declares to enter MLB, the posting fee must be far higher than Daisuke Matsuzaka.

 

[Phill11]

Did D'Backs want a asian?

I think Kosuke Fukudome (1B/OF, no posting fee) and Hiroki Kuroda (SP) will fit to the team.

And pay attention to Yu Darvish , if he declares to enter MLB, the posting fee must be far higher than Daisuke Matsuzaka.

On those sites it said that we made an offer:

# Nikkan: Arizona Diamondbacks allegedly offers Hiroki Kuroda a 3-year $27 million contract November 21, 2007

I tried clicking the link but it didn't work...

 

[CardEd]

I tried clicking the link but it didn't work...

It's all in Japanesse

 

[Phill11]

It's all in Japanesse

haha. Figures.

With us losing out on Tony Clark off the bench, what does everyone think of bringing back Finley?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3121934

Granted our OF is full, but what about asking him to be our 5th OFer and potentially a backup 1B? And if he'd be willing, would he even be an adequate backup 1B?

LF- Byrnes
CF- Young
RF- Upton
4th- Salazar
5th- Finley

I honestly think Quentin may be done... as much as I hate to say it. I really did love watching him play. But I think he'll be traded...

 

[Brian]

Sorry, not trying to be short, but Finley is done. Very done.

The desire may be there but the skill isn't.

 

[DWKB]

haha. Figures.

With us losing out on Tony Clark off the bench, what does everyone think of bringing back Finley?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3121934

Granted our OF is full, but what about asking him to be our 5th OFer and potentially a backup 1B? And if he'd be willing, would he even be an adequate backup 1B?

LF- Byrnes
CF- Young
RF- Upton
4th- Salazar
5th- Finley

I honestly think Quentin may be done... as much as I hate to say it. I really did love watching him play. But I think he'll be traded...

Yeah, uh...that's a bad idea. I mean a really, really, really, bad idea.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Sorry, not trying to be short, but Finley is done. Very done.

The desire may be there but the skill isn't.

Agreed...I loved watching Fins when he was here (with the exception of him grabbing his crotch 10x every at bat) but he is dunzo.

 

[DKCards]

haha. Figures.

With us losing out on Tony Clark off the bench, what does everyone think of bringing back Finley?

Are you sure we have lost out on Clark?

 

[boondockdrunk]

Did D'Backs want a asian?

I think Kosuke Fukudome (1B/OF, no posting fee) and Hiroki Kuroda (SP) will fit to the team.

And pay attention to Yu Darvish , if he declares to enter MLB, the posting fee must be far higher than Daisuke Matsuzaka.

I cannot see the D'backs getting any of these players. First off, Kosuke Fukudome does not seem to fit the team because Arizona already has too many 1st basemen (Jackson, Tracy) and more than enough outfielders. As for the other players, while they might seem to fit here, they will come with an exceptional price-tag. That is something that the D'backs tend to avoid.

While they have put in a bid for Hiroki Kuroda, I doubt it will be the highest. From what I hear, Seattle is pushing hard for him. With their current relations with Japanese players, I have a hard time thinking that he won't end up here.

Also, once the winter meetings start up, I can see a flurry of trades occuring. With Bonifacio almost ready to take over 2nd base, sadly, I think O-Dawg is the odd man out. And I know it has been said before, but with him Tracy, Q, and CGon might be on the move as well.

This should be a very interesting off-season.

 

[DWKB]

Are you sure we have lost out on Clark?

For what he's asking for, yeah. Multiple years at multiple millions is not worth it. He'll get it from someone though, most likely AL.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

The Diamondbacks are interested in Sweeney as a replacement for Clark, and have also had interest in Matt Clement.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/102681

The Diamondbacks, Angels, and Mariners are supposed the three top teams for landing Kuroda.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/NickPiecoro/11349

 

[devilfan02]

Why aren't we going after Eric Bedard??? It looks more and more likely that he will be the first big named pitcher to get moved and I haven't seen our name in any rumors. He was unbelievable last season. I hope Byrnes is at least asking

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Why aren't we going after Eric Bedard??? It looks more and more likely that he will be the first big named pitcher to get moved and I haven't seen our name in any rumors. He was unbelievable last season. I hope Byrnes is at least asking

Bedard probably has the same asking price as Haren.

 

[asuhoopnut]

Why aren't we going after Eric Bedard??? It looks more and more likely that he will be the first big named pitcher to get moved and I haven't seen our name in any rumors. He was unbelievable last season. I hope Byrnes is at least asking

Per the Baltimore Sun, it looks like the Diamondbacks have expressed interest in Bedard. It looks like the DBacks are actively shopping for quality starting pitching.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...6737859,print.story?coll=bal-utility-olympics

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Why aren't we going after Eric Bedard??? It looks more and more likely that he will be the first big named pitcher to get moved and I haven't seen our name in any rumors. He was unbelievable last season. I hope Byrnes is at least asking

The Mets reportedly have offered Aaron Heilman, Carlos Gomez, and Phillip Humber to Baltimore for Bedard and Miguel Tejada. Before trading him, Lastings Milledge was also offered but Baltimore rejected the offer.

To say their asking price for Bedard is steep would be understating the obvious.

 

[overseascardfan]

According to FSN the asking price of Bedard is three to four top level prospects, but that the A's asking price for Haren is higher than what the Twins are asking for Santana. I don't see any of the guys getting moved any time soon, it appears the Twins, A's & O's are trying to fleece teams.

We may have to take a chance on guys like Clement, Benson, and Prior whom the Padres are rumored to be trying to trade for.

 

[devilfan02]

According to FSN the asking price of Bedard is three to four top level prospects, but that the A's asking price for Haren is higher than what the Twins are asking for Santana. I don't see any of the guys getting moved any time soon, it appears the Twins, A's & O's are trying to fleece teams.

We may have to take a chance on guys like Clement, Benson, and Prior whom the Padres are rumored to be trying to trade for.

Just read that Clement wants to pitch for SD (because of Petco Park) and will take a paycut to do so. I don't want him anyways and I think him in SD rotation is actually beneficial to us

 

[Mulli]

Haren rumor

From Rotoworld:
The Boston Herald reports that the A’s and Diamondbacks have had constructive talks about a deal which would send Dan Haren to Arizona and Conor Jackson and Carlos Gonzalez along with two more players to Oakland.
The A's wouldn't get the center fielder they want, but a package fronted by Jackson and Gonzalez would be very good. Jackson and Daric Barton would be paired as a first base/DH combination in Oakland, while Gonzalez could step into an outfield corner in 2009. If the Diamondbacks trade Jackson, they could then re-sign Tony Clark to play first base.
Source: Boston Herald

 

[PDXChris]

Don't forget that Chad Tracy can play first too, so to loose Jackson for a good pitcher is fine with me.