Your Evaluation of Skelton's Play?

[PACardsFan]

Just remember.... Max Hall was a scrappy leader after the Saints game. Let's see what the NFL does now that they have some tape on him.

I liked what I saw though. I am just very skeptical.

It's really hard to draw parallels between what Hall showed us against the Saints & what we saw from Skelton today. All I can remember from the Saints game were all the shots Hall took. Every single time he was hit, he was almost knocked unconscious. We were very, very fortunate when Levi jumped on his fumble in the endzone. Hall's pocket awareness was even worse than DA's & even the 190 lb corners took him down like a rag doll. Skelton will get sacked, but he'll go down in much the same manner as Big Ben goes down.....just barely. You wouldn't think it, but Skelton is far more elusive in the pocket than Hall is. I also like his demeanor.

 

[Evil Ash]

I think all logic points to Wiz liking Skeleton quite a bit. You don't give up draft picks to move up to get a player unless you really like him. THAT is the evaluation you need to pay attention to.

So maybe Whisenhunt is doing his best to nurture Skeleton and whats bestfor the kids long term growth and career? Is anyone ignorant enough to respond to this post and tell me a kid from Fordham is going to adjust seamlessly to the NFL playing the most demanding and complex position in sports?

Because thats what many of you seem to be intimating. And does anyone have the links here Wiz and staff were bashing Skeleton's footwork? I never read that. All I read is that "he is not ready".

If you have the luxury to do so, many believe sitting young QB's so they can learn gives you a higher probablity of success. It worked with Carson Palmer and Aaron Rodgers and they were first rounders. It would especially make sense for a 5th round project pick out of Fordham.

More and more it looks likes Hall was thrown to the wolves, and Skeleton was given the more nurturing and logical treatment.

And if he turns out to be good, it was the right thing to do.

Jesus Whisenhunt can't win with some of you at this point.

There's nurturing and there's over-protecting, Whiz seems to be doing the latter. Sadly he looked closer to ready than our projected starter and his backup but yet Whiz was insistent that he wasn't ready even going through the week.

I understand wanting to protect him to a point but you have to see what you have eventually and let him learn on the field.

Whiz gets a mulligan this year but even you have to admit that there have been a lot of coaching/personnel decisions of his that are questionable at best.

 

[Chopper0080]

Skelton looked like a NFL QB today, and it has been a while since we could say that about a QB starting for the Cardinals.

My biggest impression was that he did not look overwhelmed or nervous. He is the only QB that I have seen the Cardinals trot on the field that looks like he will be in the league in 3 years. That being said, he still needs a ton of work. We will see what happens against Carolina.

 

[bg7brd]

I think all logic points to Wiz liking Skeleton quite a bit. You don't give up draft picks to move up to get a player unless you really like him. THAT is the evaluation you need to pay attention to.

So maybe Whisenhunt is doing his best to nurture Skeleton and whats bestfor the kids long term growth and career? Is anyone ignorant enough to respond to this post and tell me a kid from Fordham is going to adjust seamlessly to the NFL playing the most demanding and complex position in sports?

Because thats what many of you seem to be intimating. And does anyone have the links here Wiz and staff were bashing Skeleton's footwork? I never read that. All I read is that "he is not ready".

If you have the luxury to do so, many believe sitting young QB's so they can learn gives you a higher probablity of success. It worked with Carson Palmer and Aaron Rodgers and they were first rounders. It would especially make sense for a 5th round project pick out of Fordham.

More and more it looks likes Hall was thrown to the wolves, and Skeleton was given the more nurturing and logical treatment.

And if he turns out to be good, it was the right thing to do.

Jesus Whisenhunt can't win with some of you at this point.

Excellent post!! I've never heard or read anything about the coaching staff bashing his footwork. I would like to know where this came from.

 

[desertdawg]

Excellent post!! I've never heard or read anything about the coaching staff bashing his footwork. I would like to know where this came from.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2352774&postcount=6

This was a post of mine earlier when we were all talking Skelton in Nidans thread. His feet were mentioned in some scouting report I dug up, but not by our staff (just some dude). I (along with you guys) also haven't heard the Cards staff speak ill of Skelton's foot work.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2352760&postcount=3

To my own defense, I also posted this clip of Skelton's huge bomb in that thread. I would like to see the bomb next week.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Jesus Whisenhunt

Is he related to Ken ??

 

[Unsterblich856]

40% completion, 3.9 YPA, 146 yards, and the kicker got more TDs. Those are DA-on-a-bad-day stats. I'll give him that he's a rookie out of a D-2 college who was running scout team a week ago, but looking at just his play, he was bad. We're not a good enough team to win like this all the time. I hope he turns it around so we're winning with the help of his play, not in spite of his play. Good thing he's going up against the worst team in football next week.

 

[Shane]

40% completion, 3.9 YPA, 146 yards, and the kicker got more TDs. Those are DA-on-a-bad-day stats. I'll give him that he's a rookie out of a D-2 college who was running scout team a week ago, but looking at just his play, he was bad. We're not a good enough team to win like this all the time. I hope he turns it around so we're winning with the help of his play, not in spite of his play. Good thing he's going up against the worst team in football next week.

No way. Try looking at the big picture:

Anyone and I mean anyone who wasn't impressed with his performance today is a complete and utter hater. The guy was about as poised I have have seen a rookie QB in a long long time.

His pocket presence and feel for the pass rush was pretty amazing. He was accurate for the most part and was a victim of at least 6 drops by my count. His comp % today should have been much better his WR's didn't do him any favors. He had two perfectly thrown medium to long length balls to both Breaston and Doucett that were just flat dropped in the 1st half. The throws were pretty impressive.

That play where the defender knocked him over and he spun out of it and planted his hand on the ground to keep from going down and scrambled for 9 yards was impressive as hell and a thing of beauty. He has really good balance and is quite nimble for his size.

He is far from a finished product. But so far he has shown enough that he could possibly have the goods and definitely deserves the next 3 games to audition for it.

Not to mention he did all of this with NEVER taking 1st team reps till this week. Being a scout team QB all year and not really being involved with the regular offense. To boot he came from freaking fordham.


Color me impressed so far. VERY impressed.

 

[Perfectionist]

If this kid improves each week, we have something. What I liked most may not mean anything but he just looks like a quarterback. Loved his block on the reverse and loved it when he grabbed one of the lineman and yanked back towards the huddle. I can't wait till next week to see how he performs.

 

[Seandonic]

No way. Try looking at the big picture:

Anyone and I mean anyone who wasn't impressed with his performance today is a complete and utter hater. The guy was about as poised I have have seen a rookie QB in a long long time.

His pocket presence and feel for the pass rush was pretty amazing. He was accurate for the most part and was a victim of at least 6 drops by my count. His comp % today should have been much better his WR's didn't do him any favors. He had two perfectly thrown medium to long length balls to both Breaston and Doucett that were just flat dropped in the 1st half. The throws were pretty impressive.

That play where the defender knocked him over and he spun out of it and planted his hand on the ground to keep from going down and scrambled for 9 yards was impressive as hell and a thing of beauty. He has really good balance and is quite nimble for his size.

He is far from a finished product. But so far he has shown enough that he could possibly have the goods and definitely deserves the next 3 games to audition for it.

Not to mention he did all of this with NEVER taking 1st team reps till this week. Being a scout team QB all year and not really being involved with the regular offense. To boot he came from freaking fordham.


Color me impressed so far. VERY impressed.

I agree with all of this.

I'll add that it was nice to see a strong arm QB who could actually take some heat off and add some touch to the throw.

I truly believe that the beginning of the game drops by the receivers where due to the fact that they needed to adjust to a better thrown ball than they had become accustomed to.

The negatives I noticed are the same I've read about since before he was even drafted. He needs to work on his accuracy and his reading of defenses.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think all logic points to Wiz liking Skeleton quite a bit. You don't give up draft picks to move up to get a player unless you really like him. THAT is the evaluation you need to pay attention to.

So maybe Whisenhunt is doing his best to nurture Skeleton and whats bestfor the kids long term growth and career? Is anyone ignorant enough to respond to this post and tell me a kid from Fordham is going to adjust seamlessly to the NFL playing the most demanding and complex position in sports?

Because thats what many of you seem to be intimating. And does anyone have the links here Wiz and staff were bashing Skeleton's footwork? I never read that. All I read is that "he is not ready".

If you have the luxury to do so, many believe sitting young QB's so they can learn gives you a higher probablity of success. It worked with Carson Palmer and Aaron Rodgers and they were first rounders. It would especially make sense for a 5th round project pick out of Fordham.

More and more it looks likes Hall was thrown to the wolves, and Skeleton was given the more nurturing and logical treatment.

And if he turns out to be good, it was the right thing to do.

Jesus Whisenhunt can't win with some of you at this point.

I agree, Whiz probably had zero intention of playing Skelton this year and rightly so. The putrid QB play and injuries is why he's on the field. I mean it takes 1st round picks a while to get significant playing time. A 5th round QB from Fordham was definitely not in the plans.
The thing I liked best about him was he seemed pretty much un-fazed by anything. That's a good 1st step. He wasn't overwhelmed and looking like everything was moving 100 mph to him.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

His pocket presence and feel for the pass rush was pretty amazing. He was accurate for the most part and was a victim of at least 6 drops by my count. His comp % today should have been much better his WR's didn't do him any favors. He had two perfectly thrown medium to long length balls to both Breaston and Doucett that were just flat dropped in the 1st half. The throws were pretty impressive.

He had a couple of AMAZING catches from Fitz that should have been dropped as well. Our QB play this year has been so crappy, that he brings you hope, but I still say.

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[AzStevenCal]

Is he related to Ken ??

Every time Whiz makes a decision that doesn't generate immediate returns, someone out there nails him to a cross. Coincidence, I think not.

Steve

 

[CaptTurbo]

He certainly looks like an NFL quality QB back in that pocket. Much moreso than DA or Hall.

Man does he throw a beautiful ball. Im pulling for him big time!

 

[daytripper]

My 2 cents
All in all a respectable start. He has good pocket presence and a a good clock. Decent mobility and shows a tough streak.
Has that look in his eye like Jim Kelly used to.
We'll see, this could be a interesting run through the rest of the season. Especilly if we go 3-0. The second guessing will really start.
The most important off season aquisitions this year maybe coaches on both sides of the ball.
I wonder if Kurt Warners' looking for a job!

 

[az240zz]

Ehh, I remember Hall playing "alright" in his first start as well. Wiz better bring in a solid vet to lead this team next year, and/or be smart enough to draft Newton or Luck if they are available when the Cards pick.

NO Newton

 

[Snakester]

I was very impressed with Skelton for his first game. To start the game with all the dropped passes and then come out the next series like it was the first was impressive. Nothing shook him up. He was poised and confident every time he went out on the field and you could see it in the other players faces. As the game went on the players seemed to draw confidence from Skelton and you could just look into the eyes of the players and know they were both ready for the next play and enjoying the game. By the second half the team was playing with confidence and they felt like they could win. I really enjoyed watching the players have a good time for once this season.

The defense stepping up was huge, but I think alot of that was helped by not having the turnovers. There was no big let down play that would discourage the team this game. Instead we got the turnovers and made the Broncos get discouraged. The whole team continued to play better as the game went on.

Skelton never got shook up in this game. Kept his poise in the pocket, made alot of nice throws. Showed he has a great arm, pocket awareness, can take a hit and give one. He played smart to. He reminds me of Ben Rothlisberger. Big, can move around in the pocket and will be hard to bring down. I can't wait to see how he does the rest of the season. I do think the big test will be against the Cowboys. If he plays well and wins that game I think he could be given the chance to be the starter next year.

 

[Mulli]

He was pretty good for his first start. Now he was to keep showing noticable improvement. Especially against the mediocre teams left on the schedule.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

He was ok. At least he has actual NFL talent unlike Hall and was fairly accurate in the pocket unlike DA. His errant passes mostly came out of the pocket. He'll be a work in progress, I think he has a future on an NFL roster but where on the depth chart remains to be seen.

 

[Mulli]

He was ok. At least he has actual NFL talent unlike Hall and was fairly accurate in the pocket unlike DA. His errant passes mostly came out of the pocket. He'll be a work in progress, I think he has a future on an NFL roster but where on the depth chart remains to be seen.

I agree. If he doesn't get significantly more accurate, he is in trouble.

 

[Dback Jon]

ZERO TURNOVERS


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[Mulli]

ZERO TURNOVERS without constant check downs and WITH throwing at Champ Bailey.


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This. I still can't believe Skelton was throwing at Bailey's side as much as he did without nearly getting picked once.

 

[football karma]

The good:

-looked composed and comfortable.
-seemed like he had a good feel for the rush, and I loved how he stepped up into the pocket to deliver a pass
-I thought his decisions were good. I didnt see any throws where he went right into double coverage

the bad:

-his accuracy was pretty shaky
-he was a bit late on throws where the receiver was open and it allowed the db to get to the ball and bat it away. A throw on time would have been a completion.

all in all -- he has earned the right for another chance.

 

[desertdawg]

This. I still can't believe Skelton was throwing at Bailey's side as much as he did without nearly getting picked once.

That was pretty ballsy!

 

[crisper57]

Loved his block on the reverse. The crowd around me went nuts when they showed the replay. Loved his ability to scramble when the pocket collapsed. Loved his arm strength.

It's crazy that the Cards have won 3 games by three different starting QB's at home this season.

They drafted Skelton for his potential. If this is the beginning of his journey, it is a decent start. If he doesn't continue to improve week-to-week, he won't amount to much. My money is on him growing into his potential, but there will be some stinkers along the way.

I just hope Whiz doesn't stunt his growth by putting DA back into the starter's role once he can finally pass his concussion tests.