You take any of the 3 QBs if they are there at 20

[desertdawg]

Straight up, Bridge, Bortles, Johnny, you take them and you don't think twice. If anyone of them "Aaron Rodgers", you run, you don't walk unless someone is offering you the whole waffle house, not just the house (as far as what #20 picks are worth of course).

 

[Finito]

Depends on who else is on the board. None of these 3 are Andrew Luck there's serious questions about all of them.

Fans need to really come to terms that Carson Palmer is your QB right now and Cardinals are in legate win now mode the organization thinks they have a legit shot at a championship this season. I really think there going to do everything in the draft to make that defense even better.

Plus next years QBs look to be much better led by Winston, Marriota and Hudley.if we have a really good draft this year I would be more than comfortable giving up the house saying you can have my whole draft to move up and get the guy you want

 

[desertdawg]

Depends on who else is on the board. None of these 3 are Andrew Luck there's serious questions about all of them.

Fans need to really come to terms that Carson Palmer is your QB right now and Cardinals are in legate win now mode the organization thinks they have a legit shot at a championship this season. I really think there going to do everything in the draft to make that defense even better.

Plus next years QBs look to be much better led by Winston, Marriota and Hudley.if we have a really good draft this year I would be more than comfortable giving up the house saying you can have my whole draft to move up and get the guy you want

I know Carson is our QB, and I'm all about it, I understand what this year's goals are, and I'm all about it. I know who Andrew Luck is too. I'm thinking long term and risk and reward, if you aint on board please don't bring up next year's QBs. That's not the long term gamble I am speaking of, unless we get some Godly picks from some team that won't even make the playoffs this year because we will, whether we get a QB or not in the first round this year.

 

[Finito]

I know Carson is our QB, and I'm all about it, I understand what this year's goals are, and I'm all about it. I know who Andrew Luck is too. I'm thinking long term and risk and reward, if you aint on board please don't bring up next year's QBs. That's not the long term gamble I am speaking of, unless we get some Godly picks from some team that won't even make the playoffs this year because we will, whether we get a QB or not in the first round this year.

Huh?

 

[desertdawg]

Huh?

Find someone with a dawg decoder, I can't break it down better than that holmes.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Depends on who else is on the board. None of these 3 are Andrew Luck there's serious questions about all of them.

Fans need to really come to terms that Carson Palmer is your QB right now and Cardinals are in legate win now mode the organization thinks they have a legit shot at a championship this season. I really think there going to do everything in the draft to make that defense even better.

Plus next years QBs look to be much better led by Winston, Marriota and Hudley.if we have a really good draft this year I would be more than comfortable giving up the house saying you can have my whole draft to move up and get the guy you want

Correction, none of these QBs are 'assumed' to be as good as Luck, so yes there are skeptical concerns but most cannot be proven as fact. All I know is this, last season everyone was saying Bridgewater was another one of those sure things and every year people say "wait till next year's draft' before it gets picked to pieces. I do know this, this team is in win now mode because they are good... good enough to finish with a good record keeping us out of the early picks to select a QB and if we get a chance now, Dawg makes some sense because trading the farm to move up destroys your team as a whole in my opinion

 

[desertdawg]

Correction, none of these QBs are 'assumed' to be as good as Luck, so yes there are skeptical concerns but most cannot be proven as fact. All I know is this, last season everyone was saying Bridgewater was another one of those sure things and every year people say "wait till next year's draft' before it gets picked to pieces. I do know this, this team is in win now mode because they are good... good enough to finish with a good record keeping us out of the early picks to select a QB and if we get a chance now, Dawg makes some sense because trading the farm to move up destroys your team as a whole in my opinion

Decoder ring approved

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'm with you Dawg.

I don't think we are in reach for QB mode, but if one fell into our laps, I think they become BPA. The only guys I would take over the top 3 QBs are: Clowney, Mack, Watkins, Robinson, Matthews, and probably Barr.

Those are BPAs for the Cardinals based on talent and need.
1) Clowney. Best player in the draft. Most likely to be a Hall of Fame type talent of this draft and best defensive lineman to come out in a long time. Forget what the naysayers have stated, I watched him for 3 seasons and he's the best college lineman I've ever seen by a wide margin. And that includes Terrell Suggs. Clowney is on a whole strata above T-Sizzle. He's the type of player that you change your defense for, but he's talented enough to play either 3-4 OLB or 4-3 End. He also probably could play 3-4 End but that would be a waste.

2) Mack. As much as I love Clowney, Mack is going to be a perennial Pro Bowler and would be a monster fit in our defense. In the back of my mind, I contemplate trading up for him. He's going to nearly always get double digit sacks and should post at least 3-4 15+ sack seasons.

3) Watkins. He'll quickly be in the pantheon of Johnson, Bryant, Gordon, and Green. He is an amazing blend of size, speed, quickness and hands. He's a homerun threat who also does the little things well.

4) Robinson. I think this guy is going to be very good, the kind of LT that can dominate in both phases of the game. His trajectory is literally best LT in the NFL. I think he's that good.

5) Matthews. He's a drop off from Robinson, but he's the type of player that you draft him and 15 years later he's still a very good starter on your offensive line.

6) Barr isn't in the same class as Clowney or even Mack, but that might be a function of not playing defense until two years ago. His ceiling is very high, and I could easily see him in the same conversation as Clowney and Mack five years from now. If some way he fell along with the three QBs, no question I take Barr.

 

[earthsci]

I'm with you Dawg.

+1

 

[Mainstreet]

Straight up, Bridge, Bortles, Johnny, you take them and you don't think twice. If anyone of them "Aaron Rodgers", you run, you don't walk unless someone is offering you the whole waffle house, not just the house (as far as what #20 picks are worth of course).

I have listened to two scouts that have talked about Johnny Manziel. They say he can create excitement by scrambling but often runs when he has the open receiver. They seem to feel this is his mentality and he is unlikely to change.

I am not opposed to drafting another QB in the first round if he is considered QB of the future.

 

[Finito]

Like I said IMO depends who's there if you have a choice between Barr and any of those 3 QBs you take Barr. I'm not really sold on any of these 3 QBs honestly I think Mettenberger might be the best QB in this class.

I don't think it would destroy this team. We're a good football team it's not like we're in rebuilding mode and we have holes all over the place say next year you think Winston is one of those franchise guys I say do whatever you need to get him if that means giving up your whole draft then I would do it.

On Clowney no way is Clowney better than Suggs at this stage in there careers. Suggs had as many sacks his junior year 24 as Clowney has had in his freshman, sophomore and junior years combined 24. You know how freakish that is 24 sacks in a college football season. Don't give me that Clowney had to deal with double teams and all that you think they didn't game plan for Suggs like that? They moved him all over and because of his freak talent and motor he was just unstoppable.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I have listened to two scouts that have talked about Johnny Manziel. They say he can create excitement by scrambling but often runs when he has the open receiver. They seem to feel this is his mentality and he is unlikely to change.

I am not opposed to drafting another QB in the first round if he is considered QB of the future.

He does because it worked in college and he felt less risk not putting the ball in the air when his scrambling results where positive. The question really is can he throw to the open guy when the pro game no longer allows him to scramble for the yards. I think he can and he is very accurate on the run throwing. I do not think Manziel was worrying about putting on a clinic for the pro game as much as winning a college game. Does his character translate to the Pro Game is the main question. His antics at the moment do not seem like one who has a real understanding of how demanding the pro game is and at his position you have to strive to be the best just to be a starter. I think he is going to resent that Jonny Football moniker once he enters the NFL lol

 

[desertdawg]

I have listened to two scouts that have talked about Johnny Manziel. They say he can create excitement by scrambling but often runs when he has the open receiver. They seem to feel this is his mentality and he is unlikely to change.

I am not opposed to drafting another QB in the first round if he is considered QB of the future.

If Johnny is around it becomes the confidence and dedication in our O-line, I don't want him running for his life for a living either. But the ability to scramble and produce is a solid, if it's not the only option. I won't name other QBs, because every one is different.

 

[Jetstream Green]

If Johnny is around it becomes the confidence and dedication in our O-line, I don't want him running for his life for a living either. But the ability to scramble and produce is a solid, if it's not the only option. I won't name other QBs, because every one is different.

There is a WHOLE lot of Jake Plummer in Manziel. Plummer did not have a weak arm and he showed it more than once in my opinion but it was average for NFL standards. Manziel has a stronger arm and that strength allows for more accuracy... I seen Manziel really wing it with some zip in some games I had watched

 

[desertdawg]

There is a WHOLE lot of Jake Plummer in Manziel. Plummer did not have a weak arm and he showed it more than once in my opinion but it was average for NFL standards. Manziel has a stronger arm and that strength allows for more accuracy... I seen Manziel really wing it with some zip in some games I had watched

I would love Johnny to sit behind "Carson the pocket Palmer" for a year or two, it would be an awesome risk in my opinion.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I would love Johnny to sit behind "Carson the pocket Palmer" for a year or two, it would be an awesome risk in my opinion.

Agreed, every pick in the draft is a gamble and for every Andrew Luck there is a Ryan Leaf and nobody saw his train wreck coming before the draft. We are good enough to roll the dice and still get a good safety prospect for instance in positions of concern in the second round in my opinion. I really like the Loston kid out of LSU... who know how to coach secondary prospects that do well in the NFL

 

[GimmedaBall]

We will find out in a few weeks what is going on inside the war room of the Cards brass. My guess is that it is WIN THIS YEAR. Too many old dawgs gathered together (from coaching staff, to QB, to Fitz, DD, to the Cards ownership) to have any other mindset. Bring that SB home to our house and let BB Sr. enjoy the moment. The player we draft with our first round pick has to be a guy who is hitting the field day one and contributes NOW---not after the developmental period needed by the 4th or 5th QB taken. We will need a QB eventually but not when the FUTURE is NOW.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Johnny is around it becomes the confidence and dedication in our O-line, I don't want him running for his life for a living either. But the ability to scramble and produce is a solid, if it's not the only option. I won't name other QBs, because every one is different.

I may be completely wrong about Manziel. I'm am just going off listening to two different scouts. They seem to think this running thing is part of his football makeup. If he has to set back in the pocket for the most part and make throws, I don't know.

 

[desertdawg]

I may be completely wrong about Manziel. I'm am just going off listening to two different scouts. They seem to think this running thing is part of his football makeup. If he has to set back in the pocket for the most part and make throws, I don't know.

Play maker is what I saw, He made some nice throws from with in but he did scramble a lot, but it wasn't because he just Forrest Gump'd and felt like running. Jenny did not buy him any shoes.

 

[desertdawg]

He's not stupid.

 

[Krangodnzr]

On Clowney no way is Clowney better than Suggs at this stage in there careers. Suggs had as many sacks his junior year 24 as Clowney has had in his freshman, sophomore and junior years combined 24. You know how freakish that is 24 sacks in a college football season. Don't give me that Clowney had to deal with double teams and all that you think they didn't game plan for Suggs like that? They moved him all over and because of his freak talent and motor he was just unstoppable.

Numbers don't mean squat. Timmy Chang threw for over 50 TDs.

I watched both of them play, and T-Sizzle got more cheap sacks than any defensive end I've ever seen. Clowney is stronger, bigger, and faster than Suggs was, and they aren't even close.

There is a reason that T-Sizzle is a blip on the radar coming out and why you hear people refer to Clowney as a once in a lifetime player.

Suggs got his sacks, but that's all he had at ASU. The defense was atrocious even though Suggs got his numbers.

 

[ajcardfan]

He does because it worked in college and he felt less risk not putting the ball in the air when his scrambling results where positive. The question really is can he throw to the open guy when the pro game no longer allows him to scramble for the yards. I think he can and he is very accurate on the run throwing. I do not think Manziel was worrying about putting on a clinic for the pro game as much as winning a college game. Does his character translate to the Pro Game is the main question. His antics at the moment do not seem like one who has a real understanding of how demanding the pro game is and at his position you have to strive to be the best just to be a starter. I think he is going to resent that Jonny Football moniker once he enters the NFL lol

Since he went into preseason football practice last August, what "antics" has he pulled?

I'll answer that question. None. By all accounts I have read on Aggies boards, he was first in and last out all year. He knew what was at stake and he has been on his best behavior.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Since he went into preseason football practice last August, what "antics" has he pulled?

I'll answer that question. None. By all accounts I have read on Aggies boards, he was first in and last out all year. He knew what was at stake and he has been on his best behavior.

Little things which could amount to large things (meaning not being prepared or fully aware of what the sport will require of him), antics meaning interests which could give an indication that he might not apply his full attention span to the sport... hanging out with a celeb crowd of pop stars for example. I live in Texas, two hours from College Station and see his off the field behavior constantly through the media and know of his behavior when in high school from kids that went to school with him. They say he had a spoiled brat demeanor but I tend to give that the benefit of doubt some and lace it with possible jealousy but Johnny Football is used to having things handed to him in many aspects of his life it seemed. Don't get me wrong, I think he is one hell of a talent and I would want the Cardinals to draft him if he fell to us at 20 and have been a big supporter of him making it in the NFL. His social character which can still thrive on the college field is like his scrambling ability and not electing to throw. I think he can curb the scrambling thing but can he curb his character off field to devote himself fully to a professional regime that will be required of him. It is not the question of him possibly being good as much as he could be great. I want to see how he reacts when he is humbled, the great ones respond accordingly and I would not mind seeing that in a Cardinal uniform

 

[Finito]

Numbers don't mean squat. Timmy Chang threw for over 50 TDs.

I watched both of them play, and T-Sizzle got more cheap sacks than any defensive end I've ever seen. Clowney is stronger, bigger, and faster than Suggs was, and they aren't even close.

There is a reason that T-Sizzle is a blip on the radar coming out and why you hear people refer to Clowney as a once in a lifetime player.

Suggs got his sacks, but that's all he had at ASU. The defense was atrocious even though Suggs got his numbers.

I'm sorry but that was just ridiculous

Suggs was not a " blip on the radar" he was a top ten pick. If the defense was so bad and all they had to worry about was Suggs don't you think opposing teams would of had more success stopping him? Teams threw everything they had against him and he still won.

2002
The Bronko Nagurski Trophy( best defense player in the country)
The Lombardi award( best lineman or linebacyear
The Ted Hendricks award( best defensive end)
Pac-10 defensive player of the year

Career at ASU
163 tackles
65.5 tackles for loss
44 sacks
14 forced fumbles
3 fumble recovery's
2 INTs
9 passes deflected

Clowney South Carolina

130 tackles
47 tackles for loss
24 sacks
9 forced fumbles
1 fumble recovery
0 INTs
7 passes deflected

Julius Peppers North Carolina
167 tackles
53 tackles for loss
30.5 sacks
5 forced fumbles (1 returned for a TD)
2 fumble recoveries
5 interceptions ( 2 returned for touchdowns)
13 passes deflected

Peppers just for fun

Seems Suggs had more than just sacks.

I'm sorry but you do not fluke your way to a college career like that. He was dominate at ASU. Yes numbers do mean something especially for a defensive lineman. So your argument is Clowney is bigger, stronger, faster than Suggs yet produced less oh and I think we can all agree that Clowney has played on a much better defense so the offense had more to worry about.

Nobody doubts his talent it's his heart and motor. You can go watch plays where they run away from him and he literally just stands up and watches I've never seen a big time college player go out like that and yes everybody takes plays off but to do it just so blatant.

Once in a lifetime that's just the hype machine. Best defensive players I've seen and really remember I'm 31. Suggs, Peppers, Suh(anybody remember Suh at Nebraska?), Arrington, Sean Taylor and Charles Woodson I wouldn't put Clowney in with that group

 

[Garthshort]

I hope that none are available(considering our needs), unless they give us a trade opportunity. And while I'm not sure that he's the best, I do like Johhny Football, and yes I would reluctantly take him.