Worst 2nd Half Performances of NFC West QB's in 2024

[BirdGangThing]

so stafford is "regressing" - darnold was only good because minnesota was good and same goes for purdy - did i that get that soliloquy right?

rank the following: for the 2025 season:
(in alphabetical order as not to offend)

sam darnold
kyler murray
brock purdy
matt stafford

 

[kerouac9]

Stafford
Purdy
Murray
Darnold

 

[oaken1]

so stafford is "regressing" - darnold was only good because minnesota was good and same goes for purdy - did i that get that soliloquy right?

rank the following: for the 2025 season:
(in alphabetical order as not to offend)

sam darnold
kyler murray
brock purdy
matt stafford

Man, that is such a tough exercise.

Stafford is the best in the division until proven otherwise.

Once he removed himself from the perpetual QB purgatory of the Jets and Panthers... Darnold has proven he belongs in the NFL and can operate a traditional NFL offense.

Brock Purdy,...likely the LEAST talented QB in the division,..has proven he can operate the forty niners offensive system as well as anybody. He rolled that into a nice contract...but that contract shows that even the Niners organization knows he lacks raw talent so they left themselves escape clauses so they dont get stuck with him should he regress to mean.

Kyler Murray...obviously the most physically gifted QB in the division despite his diminutive stature. His struggles are between the ears and those can be the hardest issues to coach out. in the NFL there is a mysterious trait called "IT" in which, when times are tough a guy somehow pulls out an impossible play, or a methodical series, to lead his team to victory against the odds. an innate competitiveness the causes a guy to rise to the occasion. if Kyler Murray had "IT" he would be a top 3 NFL QB

so,...all things considered I would have to rank our divisional quarterbacks as....

Stafford.
Darnold
Murray
Purdy

This being the order I would select them if I was starting an expansion franchise and got to choose between the 4 to get my starter.

 

[cardinals2025]

You have never given any indication to me you believe that. So I am expected to read your mind when you are always negative?

I'm sure there are people that think this, just like people believe the earth is flat and Tip Reiman believes that birds aren't real. A lot of national writers who don't follow the team closely believe this.

But the people you're regularly shouting at in 26-point font on this board? You're not going to find many there who believe this. Everyone thinks this team should be alive in the playoff picture past Christmas.

 

[cardinals2025]

Stafford
Purdy
Murray
Darnold

Offensively, Stafford and Purdy have similar talent around them this year. SF still has more for sure. But even if Purdy is being carried he still has is better than Stafford in 2025.

And they had more injuries to star players last season. Stafford is not the same QB as 2021.

Purdy would also win 10 games on the Rams last season based on the below.

Stafford also is immobile. There is not really an argument to make that he is better in 2025.

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[cardinals2025]

Man, that is such a tough exercise.

Stafford is the best in the division until proven otherwise.

Once he removed himself from the perpetual QB purgatory of the Jets and Panthers... Darnold has proven he belongs in the NFL and can operate a traditional NFL offense.

Brock Purdy,...likely the LEAST talented QB in the division,..has proven he can operate the forty niners offensive system as well as anybody. He rolled that into a nice contract...but that contract shows that even the Niners organization knows he lacks raw talent so they left themselves escape clauses so they dont get stuck with him should he regress to mean.

Kyler Murray...obviously the most physically gifted QB in the division despite his diminutive stature. His struggles are between the ears and those can be the hardest issues to coach out. in the NFL there is a mysterious trait called "IT" in which, when times are tough a guy somehow pulls out an impossible play, or a methodical series, to lead his team to victory against the odds. an innate competitiveness the causes a guy to rise to the occasion. if Kyler Murray had "IT" he would be a top 3 NFL QB

so,...all things considered I would have to rank our divisional quarterbacks as....

Stafford.
Darnold
Murray
Purdy

This being the order I would select them if I was starting an expansion franchise and got to choose between the 4 to get my starter.

If you are talking about a draft today, there is no justifying Stafford over Purdy. Stafford being immobile. Purdy having better stats than him last year with key players injured.

If you are going based off of who has had the more successful career, than that's different. But thats the only category Stafford wins.

Putting Darnold ahead of Murray and Purdy because of one season when he has top 5 offensive talent around him and a top 5 defense is pretty insane.

You realize that Kirk Cousins put up better numbers than Darnold with the same Vikings group of WRs.

That said, Jefferson had 1500 yards and Addison the NO 2 WR matched Harrison's stats. The TE is top 5 in the league and the RB had similar stats to Connor.

He also had a great coordinator. This is not being replicated in SEA especially when he still has to figure out how to not play like crap vs the Rams.

QB's that are decent that have top 5 defenses tend not to struggle winning games. You can even be a game manager like Jalen Hurts and get to the superbowl that way.

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[cardinals2025]

Jayden Daniels' rookie year stats wise was actually pretty similar to Kyler. Kyler peaked mid way his 3rd year and hasn't been the same since.

This next comment isn't a Kyler v Jayden comment.

Lets judge Daniels/KK after season 3 to see if KK gets stale like he did in AZ or actually make needed adjustments.

I expect Daniels to have a sophomore slump but he did things his rookie year that Stroud and Kyler did not do.

I think you can say he is already better than Stroud based on his struggles in the playoffs with a better offense than what Daniels had.

Where is 7 years even coming from?

He was drafted in 2019. The 2025 season hasn't even started yet. He has played 82 games from 2019-2024. A total of 5 full 16 game seasons.

During that time the AZ def has allowed 24 points per game.

"One of my favorite parts of Pro-Football-Reference is a blog written on March 25, 2009.

This blog measures the support a quarterback receives from his defense throughout his career. Then the numbers are crunched to figure out if the quarterback has produced more wins or fewer wins than expected throughout his career.

Briefly summed up below, it is broken into six categories, and included is the probability that an average quarterback would win the game."

Defense allows 0-10 points: A quarterback should win 93.5 percent of games.
Defense allows 11-15 points: A quarterback should win 76.1 percent of games.
Defense allows 16-20 points: A quarterback should win 52.6 percent of games.

Defense allows 21-25 points: A quarterback should win 38.8 percent of games.
Defense allows 26-33 points: A quarterback should win 17.1 percent of games.
Defense allows 34+ points: A quarterback should win 3.6 percent of games.


Now obviously Kyler is not an average QB so we should expect more than 38% winning. He is 36-45-1...Which gives him a 45% win percentage.

CIN defense has allowed 25 ppg since Burrow came into the league. He is 38-30-1. He has a QBR the same as Mahomes and is on pace to beat his career stats currently.

Justin Herbert also has a losing career record. Last year the Chargers had the 2nd best defense and they won 11 games.

Cardinals had the 11th ranked defense ppg in 2021 and we won 11 games.

Dak Prescott for his career, has had a defense that has only allowed 20 ppg. This puts him above Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray and Joe Burrow in terms of wins and wins %.

Mahomes, Jackson, Allen and Hurts all have defenses that allow 21 pts or less.

I am not saying Kyler is a top 5 QB, I am saying no one is paying attention to this obvious correlation. Put Purdy, Stafford, Geno, Darnold or Hurts on AZ and they aren't winning a superbowl either.

Purdy and Hurts are two of the most overrated QBs in the league on average because of their defenses and offensive weapons.

Purdy actually deserves some respect during the regular season due to the 49ers injuries like last year. But Hurts literally was a game manager who did nothing in the win vs the Rams in the playoffs.

 

[cardinals2025]

With regards to Murray. He's had 7 yrs. Look what Jayden Daniels did last year as a rookie with an OC that we ran out of here. I'm not a fan of Kingsbury, even though he went to my HS a few years after I graduated, but I think Murray made him look bad. He's limited because of lack of size, and leadership and killer attitude. He has poutiness and arrogance in spades, however.

I think we are a playoff team, but I sure would have loved to grab a decent starting guard, and quality #2 WR

Can you please confirm that 2019-2024 is 7 years? My math is not great.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I expect Daniels to have a sophomore slump but he did things his rookie year that Stroud and Kyler did not do.

I think you can say he is already better than Stroud based on his struggles in the playoffs with a better offense than what Daniels had.

Where is 7 years even coming from?

He was drafted in 2019. The 2025 season hasn't even started yet. He has played 82 games from 2019-2024. A total of 5 full 16 game seasons.

During that time the AZ def has allowed 24 points per game.

"One of my favorite parts of Pro-Football-Reference is a blog written on March 25, 2009.

This blog measures the support a quarterback receives from his defense throughout his career. Then the numbers are crunched to figure out if the quarterback has produced more wins or fewer wins than expected throughout his career.

Briefly summed up below, it is broken into six categories, and included is the probability that an average quarterback would win the game."

Defense allows 0-10 points: A quarterback should win 93.5 percent of games.
Defense allows 11-15 points: A quarterback should win 76.1 percent of games.
Defense allows 16-20 points: A quarterback should win 52.6 percent of games.

Defense allows 21-25 points: A quarterback should win 38.8 percent of games.
Defense allows 26-33 points: A quarterback should win 17.1 percent of games.
Defense allows 34+ points: A quarterback should win 3.6 percent of games.


Now obviously Kyler is not an average QB so we should expect more than 38% winning. He is 36-45-1...Which gives him a 45% win percentage.

CIN defense has allowed 25 ppg since Burrow came into the league. He is 38-30-1. He has a QBR the same as Mahomes and is on pace to beat his career stats currently.

Justin Herbert also has a losing career record. Last year the Chargers had the 2nd best defense and they won 11 games.

Cardinals had the 11th ranked defense ppg in 2021 and we won 11 games.

Dak Prescott for his career, has had a defense that has only allowed 20 ppg. This puts him above Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray and Joe Burrow in terms of wins and wins %.

Mahomes, Jackson, Allen and Hurts all have defenses that allow 21 pts or less.

I am not saying Kyler is a top 5 QB, I am saying no one is paying attention to this obvious correlation. Put Purdy, Stafford, Geno, Darnold or Hurts on AZ and they aren't winning a superbowl either.

Purdy and Hurts are two of the most overrated QBs in the league on average because of their defenses and offensive weapons.

Purdy actually deserves some respect during the regular season due to the 49ers injuries like last year. But Hurts literally was a game manager who did nothing in the win vs the Rams in the playoffs.

Is that points per game strictly the defense giving up points? I'm pretty sure K1 has given up a few of those along with special teams.

 

[kerouac9]

You have never given any indication to me you believe that. So I am expected to read your mind when you are always negative?

You could just ask and not assume.

 

[kerouac9]

If you are talking about a draft today, there is no justifying Stafford over Purdy. Stafford being immobile. Purdy having better stats than him last year with key players injured.

Are you trying to win right now or 2028?

Stafford is better RIGHT NOW. Maybe he falls off a cliff this year. If I had one game I wanted to win, Id take Stafford over Purdy and not think twice about it.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Are you trying to win right now or 2028?

Stafford is better RIGHT NOW. Maybe he falls off a cliff this year. If I had one game I wanted to win, Id take Stafford over Purdy and not think twice about it.

you'd take the qb who won a superbowl over the qb who lost a superbowl??? surely you jest

 

[BigDavis75]

Offensively, Stafford and Purdy have similar talent around them this year. SF still has more for sure. But even if Purdy is being carried he still has is better than Stafford in 2025.

And they had more injuries to star players last season. Stafford is not the same QB as 2021.

Purdy would also win 10 games on the Rams last season based on the below.

Stafford also is immobile. There is not really an argument to make that he is better in 2025.

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Definitely don’t agree that SF clearly has more offensive talent than LAR. Puka/Adams/Kyren is great and SF has a few weak spots on the o line.

 

[cardinals2025]

Are you trying to win right now or 2028?

Stafford is better RIGHT NOW. Maybe he falls off a cliff this year. If I had one game I wanted to win, Id take Stafford over Purdy and not think twice about it.

Ok I am asking.

Based on what?

Anyone can have an opinion based on the thoughts inside their head.

But I don't know why you think thats an arguement.

 

[cardinals2025]

Definitely don’t agree that SF clearly has more offensive talent than LAR. Puka/Adams/Kyren is great and SF has a few weak spots on the o line.

Well that just makes my point more feasible. Only reason I brought that up was because I was arguing in favor of Purdy and was recognizing he might have more talent around him.

If you don't see the talent surrounding either QB as much different than there is no sort of handicap that exists.

Puka may lead the division again as the best WR as he did in 2023. But we shut down Adams already last year.

I would take Mccaffrey and Connor over Williams.

The Rams don't have a TE that is anything near Kittle or Mcbride.

Also, their line was also shaky and injured at times especially vs us in AZ.

Purdy dealt with more injuries in terms of offensive stars than Stafford did last year.

Stafford was carried thru the 2nd half. He didn't have to do much to ensure they beat SF 12-6 and AZ 13-9 for instance.

Why are those two games not discussed? If Kyler played like that with no Harrison he wouldn't get a pass.

 

[cardinals2025]

Is that points per game strictly the defense giving up points? I'm pretty sure K1 has given up a few of those along with special teams.

I am sure he has but that is not enough to move it in any way that makes a difference, plus all QB's do that to some extent which lesses the effect.

It is not like he leads the league in pick sixes...

Just looked Kyler has 8. Stafford has 30.

NFL QB Pick Six Career Leaders (since 1950) | Pro-Football-Reference.com

1. Brett Favre (32), 2. Matthew Stafford (30), 3. Dan Marino (29), 4. Joe Namath (28), 5. Drew Brees (27),

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Kyler's main issue is he throws most of his INTs in our territory, which makes them more painful.