Worn Out By Injury Responses

[Harry]

I remember when Eric Swann was vilified on this board for not playing through knee injuries that eventually cut short his career. He was likely the best the Cards ever had at his position. Assuming players are injury prone is a cheap shot. Players today play a 17 week schedule as opposed to the 12 game schedule they played for years. I know they’ve only played 4 games so far this year but the cumulative wear and tear of that schedule has impact. Today’s players are bigger, faster and stronger than they used to be, so when one hits someone the simple physics predicts more injuries and worse ones. It’s rich to see someone sitting in a comfortable chair labeling a player injury prone. Most of them never even saw the play that caused the latest injury. Let alone being able to determine it was the injured party’s conditioning that resulted in them being out. This label is not analysis; it’s noise. I’m sure these “experts” will respond with some verbiage, but the reality is they have zero credentials to irresponsibly throw out that label.

 

[Stout]

Harry, for my part, it comes out of frustration. Watching 1st round picks in consecutive years missing significant game time and then, in one case, not contributing at all is gutting.

 

[PDXChris]

Thank you Harry!

Injuries suck! Players dont want them, it hurts not only their future payday, but also hurrs their team. Every player wants to be on the field, but every injury is different and every players heals differently.

I'll say it again, bash the player on the field, not the injured player off the field.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Personally, I'm worn out by injury excuses. We see teams overcome injuries year after year after year and all we've been told the last three years is how great a job Monti has done with the draft and building depth and yet, injuries were used as an excuse last year and now again already this year. Meanwhile, within our own division, just last night, we saw how a good organization can deal with MASSIVE injuries and still come out on top.

As for injury "responses", speaking for myself, my frustration isn't usually with the players... it's with GMs who draft guys with injury issues or owners who hype up guys with injury issues and otherwise don't fill their roles, depending on guys coming back from injuries while sitting on cap room.

There's a difference in arguments, but if some of y'all want to twist other's "verbiage" to try and pick a fight, the floor's all yours folks!

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

I am more frustrated with Gannon and his unwillingness to share details about injuries. This is what causes the frustration on fans behalf regarding injuries. Just come out and say what is going on instead of this coy “so and so is progressing, etc…”

 

[JohnnyCakes]

I am more frustrated with Gannon and his unwillingness to share details about injuries. This is what causes the frustration on fans behalf regarding injuries. Just come out and say what is going on instead of this coy “so and so is progressing, etc…”

Preach! It drives me nuts

I bet you its because they dont want fans to be reluctant to buy tickets due to it being a game without "so and so" player(s).

 

[HairZach]

A lot of fans will hate a player for suffering a major injury, the only solution is to put them on ignore.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

looks like Evan Brown is doubtful and Will Hernandez is filling in for him

 

[Chopper0080]

I also don't know who is blaming players for getting injured.

 

[Shane]

I also don't know who is blaming players for getting injured.

I don’t see people blaming the player. But I do see them blaming the GM like that is some predictable outcome…. Especially when the players don’t have a history of it on their face to begin with. Injuries are just pure luck either you have it on your side or you don’t.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I also don't know who is blaming players for getting injured.

No one really is. Those claims are usually coming from people who have regularly defended management’s plan the last three years, and in the absence of any meaningful success, have decided to misconstruing current (and prior) arguments against those plans into arguments against the actual players as a way to derail legit conversations.

Its pretty lame.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don’t see people blaming the player. But I do see them blaming the GM like that is some predictable outcome…. Especially when the players don’t have a history of it on their face to begin with. Injuries are just pure luck either you have it on your side or you don’t.

Ok. Yeah, I do that. Monti is VERY unlucky.

Also, when you choose to tank a year, I tend to have less patience when your plans go awry.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

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[Chopper0080]

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I normally get your stuff. I am missing on this one.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

I normally get your stuff. I am missing on this one.

football injuries are like dice - sometimes you crap out and other times you're nice

same goes for every team - some get devastated and others barely faded - we all talk about how good the whiners and lambs draft and do free agency but they're always injured too

our injuries suck - but it's not the same players having the same injuries they had in college and monti just didn't do his homework - will johnson is the only one who had pre existing conditions as a red flag but that was knees not groin - it's football - players are messed up for life after short and long careers - you can't predict accidents

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I don’t see people blaming the player. But I do see them blaming the GM like that is some predictable outcome…. Especially when the players don’t have a history of it on their face to begin with. Injuries are just pure luck either you have it on your side or you don’t.

I'd agree with this to a degree - if a guy is completely healthy in college and then ends up constantly injured in the NFL, there really is nobody to blame. That said, when you draft a guy like Rondale Moore, who was constantly injured in college, you can't be too disappointed when that's the case in the pros.

 

[Cheesebeef]

football injuries are like dice - sometimes you crap out and other times you're nice

same goes for every team - some get devastated and others barely faded - we all talk about how good the whiners and lambs draft and do free agency but they're always injured too

our injuries suck - but it's not the same players having the same injuries they had in college and monti just didn't do his homework - will johnson is the only one who had pre existing conditions as a red flag but that was knees not groin - it's football - players are messed up for life after short and long careers - you can't predict accidents

BS. Johnson had a variety of injuries throughout his time at Michigan. And Williams, who go missed a big chunk of his rookie season because he tore his ACL in college, is out again with another knee injury.

And AGAIN, it’s not just about guys getting injured during the season… it’s relying on guys coming back after suffering major injuries and doing nothing to upgrade the positions and using hopium that those spots will fill themselves or the injured players will come back just as good.

And BEYOND ALL OF THAT, you see the Niners have a TON of injuries, BIG injuries and they STILL are winning. And that’s a team that has regularly picked at the end of the first round and even blown first rounders and traded first rounders for Trey Lance, not armed with high picks and cap room like Monti’s had and done very little with.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

BS. Johnson had a variety of injuries throughout his time at Michigan. The corner from Illinois already had a torn ACL when we drafted him.

And AGAIN, it’s not just about guys getting injured during the season… it’s relying on guys coming back after suffering major injuries and doing nothing to upgrade the positions and using hopium that those spots will fill themselves or the injured players will come back just as good.

you going on record complaining about the will johnson pick? or just while he's injured? where did we draft the corner with the acl and where would he have been drafted if healthy? and are you insinuating they're an injury related bust as well? careful now - this place is forever af lol

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Injury excuses are for losers in the NFL - EVERY TEAM deals with injuries.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

@Cheesebeef did you even watch the garrett williams injury? are you literally suggesting that had anything to due with being injury prone or was it budda blowing out garrett's legs while he was defending a pass - monti is supposed to account for that? think about what you're saying - there's no relation there - it was bad luck - it's football

 

[Cheesebeef]

you going on record complaining about the will johnson pick? or just while he's injured? where did we draft the corner with the acl and where would he have been drafted if healthy? and are you insinuating they're an injury related bust as well? careful now - this place is forever af lol

Hey Dawg… go back and look at the draft and you’ll see me plant my red flag about Johnson right when we drafted him.

And as far as Williams is concerned, considering he’s probably looking at missing near 1.5 years of his first 3 seasons with knee injuries after having an ACL in college, he’s leaning more towards bust than anything else.

 

[Cheesebeef]

@CHEEDdid you even watch the garrett williams injury? are you literally suggesting that had anything to due with being injury prone or budda blowing out garrett's legs while he was defending a pass - monti is supposed to account for that? think about what you're saying - there's no relation there only bad luck

BS. Football is a contact sport. Guys get blown up all the time. And walk away all the time. Some players bodies aren’t built to last. Some aren’t. Is Williams one of those guys? Remains to be seen but guys who are already coming into the league with ACLs at a young age always give me pause, especially drafted high.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

Hey Dawg… go back and look at the draft and you’ll see me plant my red flag about Johnson right when we drafted him.

And as far as Williams is concerned, considering he’s probably looking at missing near 1.5 years of his first 3 seasons with knee injuries after having an ACL in college, he’s leaning more towards bust than anything else.

cool - so you were out on will johnson all along - we'll see how that goes - and garrett's injury had nothing to do with budda and everything to do with shotty scouting

 

[Cheesebeef]

Injury excuses are for losers in the NFL - EVERY TEAM deals with injuries.

Seriously…. I’d think anyone who watched the Niners game last night would be embarrassed to say a word about injuries moving forward but this team has conditioned fans to make excuses where they just should exist… forever.

 

[Cheesebeef]

cool - so you were out on will johnson all along - we'll see how that goes - and garrett's injury had nothing to do with budda and everything to do with shotty scouting

Here’s the fun part about this… if I’m wrong… I WIN! That means the kid is a stud!

So far, unfortunately, he barely lasted 1.75 games before having his first injury that then took him out for 2 games. That sucks.