Why the hostility toward Carson Beck?

[GimmedaBall]

On several threads there has been some outright hostility towards Carson Beck---statements that are pretty direct---"i don't like Beck,' etc.

What is it about CBK (the K added so that we don't confuse him with cornerbacks) that is triggering this kind of animosity?

His play and concern about his arm injury and recovery is one thing---but simply hating the guy?

Haters please respond.

 

[Russ Smith]

I hope to be proven wrong but QB is one position where being disliked by your teammates can be a real problem. The reports are that he got better his last year in college so hopefully that's true but Georgia letting him walk and the rumors that Beck didn't even show up for a postseason meeting with Kirby Smart just makes you hesitant. Again I hope to be wrong I was never a huge believer in his game anyways before the injury but much of that was linked to him being an unlikable guy

 

[GimmedaBall]

I hope to be proven wrong but QB is one position where being disliked by your teammates can be a real problem. The reports are that he got better his last year in college so hopefully that's true but Georgia letting him walk and the rumors that Beck didn't even show up for a postseason meeting with Kirby Smart just makes you hesitant. Again I hope to be wrong I was never a huge believer in his game anyways before the injury but much of that was linked to him being an unlikable guy

That's the challenge for Introverts. They are not the gung-ho guys who appeal to the majority of extroverts in the locker room. The social hesitation (to the point of being shy) can be misread as being a stand-offish jerk. Alpha males look up to a 'super alpha male' as the leader of the pack. They want to see the loud, brash, swashbuckler kick-your-butt guy at QB. Gary Cooper in 'High Noon' need not apply.

Now, Minshew on the other hand . . . .

 

[Russ Smith]

That's the challenge for Introverts. They are not the gung-ho guys who appeal to the majority of extroverts in the locker room. The social hesitation (to the point of being shy) can be misread as being a stand-offish jerk. Alpha males look up to a 'super alpha male' as the leader of the pack. They want to see the loud, brash, swashbuckler kick-your-butt guy at QB. Gary Cooper in 'High Noon' need not apply.

Now, Minshew on the other hand . . . .

To be clear Carson Beck's problem at Georgia was NOT him being an introvert if anything it was the opposite.

 

[BulldogCard]

To be clear Carson Beck's problem at Georgia was NOT him being an introvert if anything it was the opposite.

I'm a UGA grad and I understand his stance. Almost embarrassed at times to have gone there as I live in AZ now. Good school, but the fans are mean.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Beck will have a better career than Simpson and Mendoza.

 

[Dan H]

I hope to be proven wrong but QB is one position where being disliked by your teammates can be a real problem. The reports are that he got better his last year in college so hopefully that's true but Georgia letting him walk and the rumors that Beck didn't even show up for a postseason meeting with Kirby Smart just makes you hesitant. Again I hope to be wrong I was never a huge believer in his game anyways before the injury but much of that was linked to him being an unlikable guy

Not calling you or this post out directly, but a lot of the stuff I see regarding his time at Georgia seems to very much "my cousin's boyfriend's roommate said ..." kind of stuff.

This article is pretty balanced, overall, IMO.

Carson Beck's high-profile lifestyle makes him an easy scapegoat, but Georgia's issues ran deeper than QB

Beck spent five years at Georgia and ends on awkward footing

www.cbssports.com

 

[GimmedaBall]

To be clear Carson Beck's problem at Georgia was NOT him being an introvert if anything it was the opposite.

Thanks for the correction. My comments were meant to be about KM and how he alienated his teammates. I wanted to make a contrast to CBK. That intro sentence that it was about KM got lost from my word processor program to the post.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not calling you or this post out directly, but a lot of the stuff I see regarding his time at Georgia seems to very much "my cousin's boyfriend's roommate said ..." kind of stuff.

This article is pretty balanced, overall, IMO.

Carson Beck's high-profile lifestyle makes him an easy scapegoat, but Georgia's issues ran deeper than QB

Beck spent five years at Georgia and ends on awkward footing

www.cbssports.com

Just to be clear I agree with the writers premise Beck wasn't the only issue at Georgia at that time and the back to back titles had created a very tough situation to inherit.

Lots of talk was he wasn't from Georiga(he's from Florida) and the fanbase didn't like that, Stetson Bennett was a Georgia kid a walkon who became a legend and Beck had to follow him. I followed that georgia team pretty closely they had an amazing defense full of guys i wanted the Cards to draft so I was pretty familiar with Bennett and everyone knew Beck was the more highly ranked prospect behind him.

Who knows what's true I'm a huge UCLA basketball fan and there's stuff insiders know that nobody else knows and gets denied for years and then it comes out and you realize the insiders were telling the truth all along. I don't know who the insiders are at Georgia but there were pretty rampant stories about Beck not getting along with teammates, coaches etc. Maybe it was because he wasn't Bennett, maybe he was a primadonna really don't know.

Just saying if you follow this board his name was on lots of our don't draft him boards long before we picked him.

Again I hope I'm wrong but given the value NFL teams put on QB's, in a very weak QB draft the fact that he lasted until the 3rd round suggests it's not just a few fans who had questions. And I wasn't even questioning his injury the reports were that was healing well and that probably wasn't why he lasted until 3rd round.

 

[speedy]

Not calling you or this post out directly, but a lot of the stuff I see regarding his time at Georgia seems to very much "my cousin's boyfriend's roommate said ..." kind of stuff.

This article is pretty balanced, overall, IMO.

Carson Beck's high-profile lifestyle makes him an easy scapegoat, but Georgia's issues ran deeper than QB

Beck spent five years at Georgia and ends on awkward footing

www.cbssports.com

Thanks for posting…

I really know nothing about the kid outside of flipping on the national championship to watch the last drive of his college career. I really have little if any idea what he is about/why he has so many haters.

From what I’ve seen, he seems well experienced, did well playing on relevant teams, and I appreciated his sit down with Gruden.

I here people say, “i didn’t like him in the 3rd”/ wanted another pick/etc, but I can’t fault the organization for drafting him when they did (and I hate the organization very much).

If he develops into a serviceable back up as a 3rd round pick, I’d say we hit pay dirt.

I don’t get all the hate….

 

[GimmedaBall]

Winning will smooth over any 'personality' issues and losing will certainly accentuate them.

The Cardinal fan base is so starved for a winning season, we are prepared to accept pretty much any personality flaws in our QB as long as he puts up more 'W's' than 'L's.' That's probably the basis of my puzzlement that we have some CBK 'haters.' He hasn't even lost us a game/season yet and still we have some dead set against him. Is it just anticipating the worst possible since that is all we have experienced? Get on board the hater express now and forego the wait?

Whatever his past, he's on our roster. While in school, he bought an expensive car and dated a hot girl. Man, that's just awful The Card fan base is not the rabid fan base of Georgia/Florida. We have only been to one SB that we lost and there are fewer and fewer fans around who even remember that.

He can buy two cars and date 4 girls. Just win us some games and make us proud to be Cardinal fans.

 

[oaken1]

Winning will smooth over any 'personality' issues and losing will certainly accentuate them.

The Cardinal fan base is so starved for a winning season, we are prepared to accept pretty much any personality flaws in our QB as long as he puts up more 'W's' than 'L's.' That's probably the basis of my puzzlement that we have some CBK 'haters.' He hasn't even lost us a game/season yet and still we have some dead set against him. Is it just anticipating the worst possible since that is all we have experienced? Get on board the hater express now and forego the wait?

Whatever his past, he's on our roster. While in school, he bought an expensive car and dated a hot girl. Man, that's just awful The Card fan base is not the rabid fan base of Georgia/Florida. We have only been to one SB that we lost and there are fewer and fewer fans around who even remember that.

He can buy two cars and date 4 girls. Just win us some games and make us proud to be Cardinal fans.

A big stink was made about him showing up at Miami with that Lambo ... but most made it more a jab at NIL culture and a sign of immaturity on his part.
But... jealousy aside... if i could have afforded a Lambo ar 22 I'm pretty sure I would have been sporting a Countache. (Sp?)

 

[Stout]

Speaking for myself, he's not a QB I see succeeding, so I didn't want us to waste a 3rd on him.

 

[az jam]

The college football scene has drastically changed with the NIL and transfer portal, plus the ridiculous realignment of conferences. IMO let's just judge players how they perform in the NFL and not what social media says about their college years.

 

[football karma]

why I didnt want the Cards to draft him:

for every throw where he looked like an NFL QB, there were 3 pretty standard throws that looked awful

but now that the Cards took him, i dont hate him -- Im hoping for the best

 

[Brian in Mesa]

For all of the times posters told people on here that they understood that several of us did not want us to draft a miniature QB the last time around but encouraged us to support him because he was now our QB, the Beck haters can just shove it.

Peers say Beck is highly focused on preparation and football IQ, so that's a welcome change. Let's go !!

 

[mel typer]

I don't hate Beck and I wish him well. You grow up and some people don't like you it's been this way for a long time. He'll be here and get out of his shell, imo he's bounced around and everyone knows him but don't know him.

I'd rather him stay to himself than get into trouble at a nightclub or get drunk and drive. News flash! He probably doesn't like them either.

"When someone is talking about you, you're either doing something bad or doing something good" he's not hurt anyone grow a set and make your own mind up

 

[Dan H]

A big stink was made about him showing up at Miami with that Lambo ... but most made it more a jab at NIL culture and a sign of immaturity on his part.
But... jealousy aside... if i could have afforded a Lambo ar 22 I'm pretty sure I would have been sporting a Countache. (Sp?)

I know a guy whose kid plays for Michigan. They gave him a Porsche SUV as part of his NIL deal. I don’t see the big deal, either.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Speaking for myself, he's not a QB I see succeeding, so I didn't want us to waste a 3rd on him.

Any reason(s) for that evaluation?

 

[Stout]

Any reason(s) for that evaluation?

Yes. Arm, attitude, failing to make the easy plays, etc. Just no thanks.

He's with the team now and I'll root for him. I just didn't want us to draft him.

 

[602 Native]

For all of the times posters told people on here that they understood that several of us did not want us to draft a miniature QB the last time around but encouraged us to support him because he was now our QB, the Beck haters can just shove it.

Peers say Beck is highly focused on preparation and football IQ, so that's a welcome change. Let's go !!

Ill never understand the mentality of hating a guy we just drafted. He will either be good or won't be how you feel about him is really irrelevant.

Not worried about Beck's personality at all. Dude was in college making millions as a young man. We will see how he matures.

Just hope we hit on him like I do all draft picks.

 

[GimmedaBall]

why I didnt want the Cards to draft him:

for every throw where he looked like an NFL QB, there were 3 pretty standard throws that looked awful

but now that the Cards took him, i dont hate him -- Im hoping for the best

I looked at some of his games over on Youtube. When he first came back from his elbow, he was pretty inaccurate.

Saw the same thing when Kurt Warner was with the Rams---he injured his hand/pinky finger (get a look at the mangled mess when you next see him on TV). When he got back on the field, he didn't have the same feel for the ball and his passes were all over the place---so much so that the Rams went with Marc Bulger over Kurt.

It took him some time to get the feel and the touch back that included a stint with the Giants (mentoring Eli). When he came to AZ---he tried multiple versions of gloves, etc. He never got his fastball back to what it was with the GSOT Rams but with Fitz, Boldin, Breaston, etc. he went on to do pretty good.

That will be a big Tell this preseason---does Beck have his control and fine touch with the ball? Accuracy is a major requirement of the West Coast Offense (that I assume will be used by MLF). Accuracy on those short-to-intermediate passes is the priority---even if he has lost some zing to his deep ball.

Beck has the central processor chip between the ears to read and react to a defense within a West Coast O. Does he still have the 'touch' and necessary feel to be accurate?

 

[Chopper0080]

Ill never understand the mentality of hating a guy we just drafted. He will either be good or won't be how you feel about him is really irrelevant.

Not worried about Beck's personality at all. Dude was in college making millions as a young man. We will see how he matures.

Just hope we hit on him like I do all draft picks.

I don't think anyone on this board is rooting for players to fail or the team to lose (outside of strategically). Sometimes though, the team makes move you are skeptical of. Just because you don't think they will work out doesn't mean you are rooting for them to fail. Personally, I think Beck is a pretty mid talent whose best season was three years ago and hasn't really improved despite being more experienced. I don't care for how he has called out his teammates in the media at both Georgia and Miami. There are some other parts of his demeanor and game that I don't care for. All of that said, I hope he shows out this year, is able to win a starting job, and become a top starting QB. I just don't believe he will.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I asked my BIL his thoughts on Beck. He's not a big fan. One of the things he said was Beck "lacks QB traits". He didn't specify or expound on that, but I take that as not being a good leader, worker, or teammate.
He kind of said the same thing about Rosen but was more direct and I was pretty sure Rosen was a cocky ******** that was not liked by his teammates.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Not worried about Beck's personality at all.

Me either. Glad he has a personality.