Why It’s a Risk to Hire a Coach With a Losing Record

Harry

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When you’ve never won, you’ve never faced the problems you face with a winning team. They are unique. Too many times this season the Cards have shown up not motivated to attack from the first kickoff. The coaches game prep has to include getting the players focused and revved up. Kingsbury has never had to do this with a winning team and he apparently has no clue how to do it. I’m willing to wait until season’s end, but if he’s staying there would be significant changes to the staff. A highly experienced assistant head coach would be hired. Preferably an older coach with no aspirations to be head coach. An offensive coordinator would be brought in. Kingsbury could pick him. Finally an aggressive defensive coordinator would be hired. Lastly I want a real QB coach. If Murray can’t handle learning technique, like how the pocket works, maybe he needs to play baseball. Frankly, without Hopkins, Murray has been far from dominant. They pointed out before the game he’s only thrown 1 TD pass when Hopkins wasn’t on the field. There’s no question Murray has improved but I’m concerned he now thinks he’s got the job mastered.

I fear Kingsbury is one of those coaches who thinks it’s up to the players to show up motivated. History says that doesn’t work. Jimmy Johnson just said he worked harder when his team was going to play a weak team. Do you think Kingsbury understands that? Finally I’ve had coaches tell me the deeper into the season, especially if you’re winning, you become a target and so you must guard against complacency. So far Kingsbury has failed in this regard as well.
 

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The target and hence complacency felt real today for sure and the guys seem to not care. Even though I'm no KK apologist, I can't stand hearing about grown men who have played the sport for decades wouldn't feel this and take self accountability. I think we have a bunch of role players on the field with no leaders out there to build guys up. We're missing JJ Watts big time in this capacity imo. Maybe we just don't have enough 'dogs'. It's definitely felt like this the past few weeks.
 

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Unless you are in the locker room, you have no freaking clue about any motivational aspects... who's the blame from if it's the players or the coach
 

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Kliff had a poor winning % even by Texas Tech standards. His agent is a GD miracle worker. Even though we’re about to choke once again down the stretch I won’t rip Bidwill for the hire because it was not your typical good ole boy network hire. I was intrigued at the time.
 

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Kliff had a poor winning % even by Texas Tech standards. His agent is a GD miracle worker. Even though we’re about to choke once again down the stretch I won’t rip Bidwill for the hire because it was not your typical good ole boy network hire. I was intrigued at the time.
Since 2010 the four coaches at Tech had win percentages of .294, .351, .301 and .250. (FUN FACT: one of those coaches is currently a US Senator!) The .351 belongs to Kingsbury.

Why in the hell does anyone want to coach at Texas Tech? They simply cannot compete in recruiting.
 

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Harry I’d say this tell the story of Kliff. Fast starts, poor finishes! Imo that’s clearly a HC issue, particularly when its 10 years in a row! Think about that...10 YEARS IN A ROW!!! Lol. This list doesn’t even include this season with a 7-0 start, a 3-5 failure down the stretch, with a possible 4-6 finish that might be a 3-7 finish! Wow

Time to call a spade a spade & move on. The history doesn’t lie.
 

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Generally speaking you'd have your best players available early in the season but then get banged up later.

Is that Kliff's issue? That with all the best talent available he's very good at letting them strut their stuff, gives them scope to make plays and show off their skills.

However when the line up is reduced and we rely on the underlying scheme and system rather than personnel we're found wanting?
 

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Generally speaking you'd have your best players available early in the season but then get banged up later.

Is that Kliff's issue? That with all the best talent available he's very good at letting them strut their stuff, gives them scope to make plays and show off their skills.

However when the line up is reduced and we rely on the underlying scheme and system rather than personnel we're found wanting?
This doesn't track, as teams like Green Bay would also be suffering record-wise due to injuries and covid protocols.
 

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KK is a smart person and IMO a good OC. However, he is not a good HC. There is big difference as the HC is in charge of the entire team and makes the game time decisions which includes adjustments. KK is absolutely terrible in managing the game. USC hired him to be their OC, they knew what they were doing.
 

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He has a winning record this year, so there goes that theory.

FWIW - he didn't have a losing season last year either.

He has proven he can win in the NFL - who cares about college now?

In fact, he is only the 4th Cardinals Head Coach since 1948 to win 10 games (72 years).
 

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I cannot understand a professional athlete going out and performing in front of 60,000 fans, family and friends in the stadium along with millions more on tv needing a coach to motivate him.
I can understand players being unhappy with a game plan or more so teammates not being held accountable.
Players aren’t stupid. Rarely will they throw a teammate under the bus. But I have to believe when players continue to get supported even when underperforming it’s got to take a toll.
 

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He has a winning record this year, so there goes that theory.

FWIW - he didn't have a losing season last year either.

He has proven he can win in the NFL - who cares about college now?

In fact, he is only the 4th Cardinals Head Coach since 1948 to win 10 games (72 years).
The core of this thread seems to have passed you by. It's about the second half nosedives that have been his MO since he's been a HC regardess of level. He had a winning season at TT too but it still came with a second half dive.
 

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He has a winning record this year, so there goes that theory.

FWIW - he didn't have a losing season last year either.

He has proven he can win in the NFL - who cares about college now?

In fact, he is only the 4th Cardinals Head Coach since 1948 to win 10 games (72 years).
Uh, no. Winning in the NFL isn't getting over .500. Winning in the NFL isn't crapping the bed in 5 straight playoff-clinching games--one against a 1-win Lions team--and relying on losing your division lead to back into the playoffs with the Rams beating the Vikings. Winning isn't finally squeaking into the playoffs in your 3rd year. Wow, do we ever have a different definition than "winning."

Show me a playoff run, and I'll say he finally won something.
 
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