Who should start at QB vs. the J-E-T-S

[NYCARDS]

Lets be honest, this team is going nowhere this year. Let McCown finish the year and see if he progresses. I think Green thought, and rightfully so, that we had a chance to make the playoffs. Now I dont see that as a possibility so put Josh back in there take his lumps, work with his receivers etc. King was never brought here to be the starter so there is no longer a point in having him play anymore.

 

[Duckjake]

Lets be honest, this team is going nowhere this year. Let McCown finish the year and see if he progresses. I think Green thought, and rightfully so, that we had a chance to make the playoffs. Now I dont see that as a possibility so put Josh back in there take his lumps, work with his receivers etc. King was never brought here to be the starter so there is no longer a point in having him play anymore.

Don't forget the Cards have 4 of their last 6 at home. They have looked very solid at SDS and they very realistically can win all 4. Then they need to win only one of the two road games and guess what? So there is still a chance that the Jan 2 game vs Tampa could be for a playoff spot. It's a slim one because they will be hard pressed to win either road game. But it is still there.

 

[conraddobler]

Don't forget the Cards have 4 of their last 6 at home. They have looked very solid at SDS and they very realistically can win all 4. Then they need to win only one of the two road games and guess what? So there is still a chance that the Jan 2 game vs Tampa could be for a playoff spot. It's a slim one because they will be hard pressed to win either road game. But it is still there.

Wow optimisim springs eternal.

This team is not a playoff team just like several we will be vying with for the last spots.

We would get killed on the road in the playoffs.

I totally and completely understand where you are comming from but what I want is to kick the door in and say we are here and we are here to kick some arse not we got here because everyone else stinks.

My expectaions are going up just not for this year. We need a real QB and a running game that inspires fear before I would say we have arrived.

Most years I'd be right with you but the type of team that squeaks in and then has a chance IMO is a different animal than what you are hoping for.

A banged up team that gets healthy and gets rolling and is feared barely making it is more of a scenario that I could get behind, this team isn't in that category.

 

[RoyGreen]

Go with the guy that moves the football, which is King, the turnovers should go down. As another poster noted, only 8 career fumbles before today; he was probably a bit rusty. McNown is just too tentative. The defense has to play near perfect to win when the QB only throws for 90 yards. Thing is, this team would be doing pretty good with Plummer. At the time, it seemed the best thing to do, but there was no point in getting rid of him unless they replaced him with someone better.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese spare me the moral lecture on how I feel.

I don't like King as a QB, didn't like the Josh bashing and King man love at his expense but don't blame King for it or wish him to fail.

I explained that in my post it comes in after the game I held my magic football all game just like always and as in so many times before it failed. It only has so much power.

But don't lecture me on how or who I root for.

I was rooting for awful QB's to pull out miracles before you were born.

sheesh - I just thought it was weird - that's all. And really - besides This_Guy - who the hell has been giving KIng man love? I'm pretty sure that it's been unanimous that he IS NOT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION - to a man, almost everyone has said that. Most of us just wanted to see what else the offense could look like. I hardly think that qualifies as having Shaun King man love.

Touchy, touchy, touchy. Geez.

 

[conraddobler]

sheesh - I just thought it was weird - that's all. And really - besides This_Guy - who the hell has been giving KIng man love? I'm pretty sure that it's been unanimous that he IS NOT THE LONG TERM SOLUTION - to a man, almost everyone has said that. Most of us just wanted to see what else the offense could look like. I hardly think that qualifies as having Shaun King man love.

Touchy, touchy, touchy. Geez.

Cheese

You thought it was weird enough to put it in caps, but I'm touchy?

Sheesh is right.

 

[Cheesebeef]

cheese,

For posting my opinions that are contrary to yours......I apologize.

I'm sorry but this is just flat out confusing. No where did I say you shouldn't post your opinions. I often think they are beyond ridiculous, but I never think you shouldn't say them. My rpoblem was you telling a group of people here to get lost - that I do have a problem with - it's the same type of crap people spewed at certain members of the board disagreeing with their opinions last year and is totally uncalled for. Call people' s ideas out as wrong - that's fine - I do it all the time - so does everyone else here, but don't tell people to get lost - that's just flat out ******** - the "King fans" (whoever they are) have never said the same to you, I don't see why you have to say it to them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese

You thought it was weird enough to put it in caps, but I'm touchy?

Sheesh is right.

okay - now I'm confused.

Whatever - conrad I think we agree on this - there isn't a good QB on this roster - no?

 

[cardcrazy]

King

I say go with King at least one more game. Then give Navarre a chance to prove if he is or isnt another Big Ben.

LISTEN McCOWN BELIEVERS! Josh McCown is not our QB of the future! He has been given more than his share of chances to prove it. Let it go! If you think that he is going to somehow take us to the playoffs and pull of this miraculous season then you are blinded by too many past wishful midseason dreams. I do not want a mediocre QB for our future. Josh is mediocre. Please dont let me watch him play another 6 games and average 150 yards, and a 70-75 passer rating, while his talented recievers get 5-6 catches for 50-60 yards each. I cant stand it!

Our defense has been winning games, not the offense! We need a good QB if our offense is going to win any games. So far I havent seen one!

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is what seems to be lost in today's debacle is that we have the worst crop of QBs in the NFL. We've seen what little King and McCown have to offer and Navarre was bad in college so I doubt the light will turn on for him in the pros. But which do you think we should go, Cheese? Draft someone or pick up a vet either in a trade or FA?

to be honest Mao - I have no idea. I liked the idea of maybe trying to go after Aaron Brooks, but he has just looked HORRIBLE most of the season.

I don't know what route to go, but I am confident Denny will figure some way to get the QB position figured out.

 

[chickenhead]

I'm glad I don't have to make this decision, but if I did, I think I'd give the ball back to Josh, and hope the benching has given him some newfound inspiration.

 

[jstadvl]

You know

where my personal loyalty lies.
DuckJake, you'd pull for my mom over Josh,LOL.
Here's the deal, Mccown doesn't turn the ball over(now) and we were winning.
He has to throw down field as King did because our WR's will make any QB look good.
King will start, I don't think he should, but maybe yesterday was the exception to the rule for him and he'll shine like the sun next week.
I'll be in my seats pulling for my team. Will I question some things King does? Yup, just as I did when McCown made bone head plays. Will I root against King during the game? Contrary to the picture Beef has tried to paint of me, NO. If we win, and that's all that matters to me, I'll be happier than a pig in poo for the team, King, and all of us.

 

[Assface]

Well, lets just see what King's QB rating was for today. I bet its somewhere around 55 - 60.

56.8

 

[SECTION 11]

I voted King. I want to see him get all the first string reps this week for a better evaluation.

 

[SECTION 11]

Where are all you jacka$$es that were so tickled with our victory against the Vikings last year?

Give me a friggin break.

 

[kerouac9]

Wow optimisim springs eternal.

This team is not a playoff team just like several we will be vying with for the last spots.

We would get killed on the road in the playoffs.

I totally and completely understand where you are comming from but what I want is to kick the door in and say we are here and we are here to kick some arse not we got here because everyone else stinks.

My expectaions are going up just not for this year. We need a real QB and a running game that inspires fear before I would say we have arrived.

Most years I'd be right with you but the type of team that squeaks in and then has a chance IMO is a different animal than what you are hoping for.

A banged up team that gets healthy and gets rolling and is feared barely making it is more of a scenario that I could get behind, this team isn't in that category.

8-8 could win the NFC West this season. Scary enough, but the Cards are still in a playoff hunt. Someone said that the WRs on this team could make any QB look good, but they didn't make McCown look good. King didn't axe this game by himself, as Josh did the Atlanta game. It was a team loss. The Cards are still alive in the playoff hunt.

Save one penalty, King would have thrown for 400 yards. 400 yards! Does anyone here really think that Josh would have thrown for that many over a two-game stretch? King makes our WRs dangerous and moves the chains. McCown makes us wonder if we got what we paid for with the WRs, because we could be doing that with San Fran's WR corps. That's why King is starting now.

 

[Russ Smith]

8-8 could win the NFC West this season. Scary enough, but the Cards are still in a playoff hunt. Someone said that the WRs on this team could make any QB look good, but they didn't make McCown look good. King didn't axe this game by himself, as Josh did the Atlanta game. It was a team loss. The Cards are still alive in the playoff hunt.

Save one penalty, King would have thrown for 400 yards. 400 yards! Does anyone here really think that Josh would have thrown for that many over a two-game stretch? King makes our WRs dangerous and moves the chains. McCown makes us wonder if we got what we paid for with the WRs, because we could be doing that with San Fran's WR corps. That's why King is starting now.

Yep, When Feeley's out was being returned for the winning TD yesterday by Seattle I was actually thinking, damn there goes the division, and we're 4-6 and just lost 35-10 to a team that had one win.

OUr division is horrible, the whole NFC is to be honest, Philly is the only team with a prayer in the Super Bowl.

 

[kerouac9]

OUr division is horrible, the whole NFC is to be honest, Philly is the only team with a prayer in the Super Bowl.

I don't know. I'm getting a little sick of the "NFC is bad" storyline. If (when) Philly advances to the NFC Championship game, they're going to choke again, only this time it'll be on the Falcons.

Personally, I think a Falcons-Steelers Super Bowl would be massively entertaining and a good game. Couldn't say the same for an Eagles-Steelers or -Patriots Super Bowl. The Falcons are 8-2 and still sneaking up on people. The beauty of Vick's game is that he doesn't think, so there's not much Bellicheck can do to confuse him. Sadly, I fear that the Steelers might just break his legs halfway through the first quarter, but that's why they play the games.

 

[Stout]

JOSH.

He may not be a pretty QB, BUT, he was winning games, with a poor QB rating, and no turnovers or INTs.

Sorry, guess again. We were winning games IN SPITE OF Josh McCown, not BECAUSE of him.

I now return you to your regular spinning.

 

[conraddobler]

Yep, When Feeley's out was being returned for the winning TD yesterday by Seattle I was actually thinking, damn there goes the division, and we're 4-6 and just lost 35-10 to a team that had one win.

OUr division is horrible, the whole NFC is to be honest, Philly is the only team with a prayer in the Super Bowl.

Putrid would be more like it.

Now the Chiefs fans around here who say their team is so horrible, awful, putrid, not worth killing.

That team I'd take into the NFC playoffs in a heartbeat and probably destroy everyone but Philly as long as Holmes is playing.

Our team is gutsy but get real it's awful, awful on the road and that's where 8-8 playoff teams play on the road.

We got killed by two teams with a horrible record on the road and beat by the 49ers on the road.

What part of that picture says playoff capable team?

Now the players need to be worried about it the coaches should factor it in especially ones that get bonuses for it and I believe Green is manufactring all the mojo he can to make it but as a fan the P word is a chuckler.

Green messed up playing King on was a mistake in the Carolina game. I'd have told everyone the playoffs are on the line, your jobs are on the line get it done now or prove you don't belong in them in the first place and told Josh to let the damn ball fly or your benched.

Then if they lost I'd have benched Josh if he didn't listen.

But that's just me.

 

[kerouac9]

Our team is gutsy but get real it's awful, awful on the road and that's where 8-8 playoff teams play on the road.

I don't care if this team gets Bronco'd in the playoffs. The first step for this team would be to make it. Without another gargantuan rookie contract hanging around this team's neck, it would help. Even an 8-8 playoff berth would help in recruiting FAs at a discount.

When you're the late-90s Bucs, you can complain about an early playoff exit. Even when you're the Pats, Rams, or Packers. This team would be happy to be there. Just getting to the playoffs, and a nationally-televised game, would be huge. And they're still alive.