What if Willis McGahee....

[Krangodnzr]

Only ran a 4.65 in the 40. Willis has never run for NFL scouts, so his 40 time is from what his college coaches (bearers of truth ) say he can do.

No one really knows what his workout numbers are, and how he will be affected by his major knee injury. If the Cards take him if he is available at 37, I will be thoroughly disappointed.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Only ran a 4.65 in the 40. Willis has never run for NFL scouts, so his 40 time is from what his college coaches (bearers of truth ) say he can do.

No one really knows what his workout numbers are, and how he will be affected by his major knee injury. If the Cards take him if he is available at 37, I will be thoroughly disappointed.

If we take this guy anywhere before round 5 I would be pissed! Which is great since there is no way he lasts that long. Some team will take a chance early I just hope its not us!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: What if Willis McGahee....

Originally posted by Shane H
If we take this guy anywhere before round 5 I would be pissed! Which is great since there is no way he lasts that long. Some team will take a chance early I just hope its not us!

I wouldn't be disappointed if we took him in round 3 or later. (no way he lasts that long).

 

[AZCB34]

If the Cards had the luxury of wasting a pick, then by all means roll the dice. That would imply they were a playoff team right now and maybe he would pan out to be what everyone thinks he could be.

Now, if the Cards pull off some draft day trade and end up with 2 second round picks, then maybe they use one on McGahee if available. Although I don't like it still because the Cards really are in no position to waste any picks, it would be less irritating if it was an extra pick they got.

 

[kerouac9]

Wait, I hope these aren't the same posters who are saying that we should take a stab at a dramatic, high-risk pick like Lord Byron. McGahee, on promise alone, would be a steal if he gets down to our #2 pick. You have to take him. Even if you took Leftwich at #6, you have to take a guy with potential like that, especially if he shows well at his showcase/workout today.

I'm not for drafting on promise and not need early, but at #37, I'd take him. Totally. I'd be like getting Clinton Portis in round 2. Are you saying you wouldn't take that shot?

 

[SECTION 11]

Draft Willis McGahee early and don't think twice about it.
If he's there at #37, I'm all over him.

If McGahee didn't get his knee ripped up in the Fiesta Bowl, he might be the number one pick in 2003 and would be the second best prospect behind Charles Rogers.

In the 2004 draft, a healthy McGahee would be the second best prospect behind Roy Williams.

Draft him, tell him to shut it down for a year, give him time to rehab it correctly, learn the playbook, and then bust out in 2004.

Then, in 2004, get one of the 6 or so prime time receivers that will be available, and have one of the top trios in the game. Presto.

Bite the bullet in 2003, gell in 2004, and compete for the prize in 2005.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Draft Willis McGahee early and don't think twice about it.
If he's there at #37, I'm all over him.

If McGahee didn't get his knee ripped up in the Fiesta Bowl, he might be the number one pick in 2003 and would be the second best prospect behind Charles Rogers.

In the 2004 draft, a healthy McGahee would be the second best prospect behind Roy Williams.

Draft him, tell him to shut it down for a year, give him time to rehab it correctly, learn the playbook, and then bust out in 2004.

Then, in 2004, get one of the 6 or so prime time receivers that will be available, and have one of the top trios in the game. Presto.

Bite the bullet in 2003, gell in 2004, and compete for the prize in 2005.

Ahhh....but he did blow out his knee....and this is his second major knee injury. He is not the guaranteed stud that everyone thinks he is.

I liked him a lot before the injury, but now he will never be the player that he could've been.

 

[SweetD]

If we get McGahee then what do you do with Shipp? Allot of people were pissed that we got Smith and now you want to draft another RB. Don't worry Shipp your still are man??

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Ahhh....but he did blow out his knee....and this is his second major knee injury. He is not the guaranteed stud that everyone thinks he is.

I liked him a lot before the injury, but now he will never be the player that he could've been.

He came back from the first injury to be one of the best RB prospect ever to play at Miami and potentially the first pick overall.

His rehab so far to this point shows that he's on course to get right back to where he was.


Touche!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SweetD
If we get McGahee then what do you do with Shipp? Allot of people were pissed that we got Smith and now you want to draft another RB. Don't worry Shipp your still are man??

Exactly. IMO drafting McGahee would be pure stupidity, and would further the thought in my mind that this org. doesn't have a clue.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by SweetD
If we get McGahee then what do you do with Shipp? Allot of people were pissed that we got Smith and now you want to draft another RB. Don't worry Shipp your still are man??

If McGahee came back to form, I'd keep still keep Shipp, but I'd entertain trade offers without feeling the slightest bit bad about it.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
If he's there at #37, I'm all over him.

We don't need to know about your personal life.

 

[SECTION 11]

Shipp has value. Other GM's around the league know that, I'd bet $100 on it.

 

[SECTION 11]

Are we really that worried about hurting Shipp's feeling? C'mon...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
He came back from the first injury to be one of the best RB prospect ever to play at Miami and potentially the first pick overall.

His rehab so far to this point shows that he's on course to get right back to where he was.


Touche!

Nice comeback, but you have to wonder how much structural damage his knee has taken, and how young arthritis will kick in (with the injuries he has had, it should be pretty young).

 

[AZCB34]

So when do you propose to bolster the defense talentwise if you have taken Leftwich #1 and McGahee #2? Starting in round 3? And how much has the talent level dropped off defensively by the time the Cards pick there?

If the Cards land an extra 2nd rounder (maybe even an extra first but with the holes this team has they really need to make both firsts work) then roll the dice but I don't think the Cards can afford to waste a pick on McGahee since they need players who can come in day 1 and produce. McGahee, no matter how far along he is will not be expected to produce at all year 1.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Nice comeback, but you have to wonder how much structural damage his knee has taken, and how young arthritis will kick in (with the injuries he has had, it should be pretty young).

Well it depends. Could Willis Mcgahee end up being Jamal Anderson (whom he really, really reminds me of)? Sure.

Is it worth a #2 pick for three 1000+ yard seasons and a Super Bowl appearance, but then nothing really?

I'm tempted to say yes.

Don't forget that the Cards play on one of the best surfaces in the NFL, and three teams in our division play of grass of NexTurf. That's good for the knees, says I.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by AZCB34
So when do you propose to bolster the defense talentwise

McGahee, no matter how far along he is will not be expected to produce at all year 1.

2003 is of no consequence. If we're playing to win in 2003 with some quick fix, band-aid reach picks to fill needs, then we can just resign ourselves to the fact that this organization is satisfied that 9-7 is a tremendous accomplishment. 9-7 is a disappointment.


As far as the defense goes, as Kerouac has pointed out, we already have young talent on defense. Our defense may not be as bad in 2003 as it appeared in 2002.
You can expect these players to improve:
Bell, KVB, Bryant, Barrett, Thompson, Fisher, Wilson, Barrett, Woods. You can build around what we have already.
Free agency didn't pan out this year. How often will a premier player turn down $3M more to play for someone else? We'll see. I'll take my chances that the D can be polished off in free agency.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Well it depends. Could Willis Mcgahee end up being Jamal Anderson (whom he really, really reminds me of)? Sure.

Is it worth a #2 pick for three 1000+ yard seasons and a Super Bowl appearance, but then nothing really?

I'm tempted to say yes.

Don't forget that the Cards play on one of the best surfaces in the NFL, and three teams in our division play of grass of NexTurf. That's good for the knees, says I.

I think those are assumptions....He MIGHT have 3 1,000+ seasons, or he MIGHT injure his knee again and never play again. He has MORE of a history of knee injuries than he does 1,000 yard seasons.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
2003 is of no consequence. If we're playing to win in 2003 with some quick fix, band-aid reach picks to fill needs, then we can just resign ourselves to the fact that this organization is satisfied that 9-7 is a tremendous accomplishment. 9-7 is a disappointment.


As far as the defense goes, as Kerouac has pointed out, we already have young talent on defense. Our defense may not be as bad in 2003 as it appeared in 2002.
You can expect these players to improve:
Bell, KVB, Bryant, Barrett, Thompson, Fisher, Wilson, Barrett, Woods. You can build around what we have already.
Free agency didn't pan out this year. How often will a premier player turn down $3M more to play for someone else? We'll see. I'll take my chances that the D can be polished off in free agency.

While I agree the team should draft with the future in mind. 2003 has alot of consequences...not the least of which is the tenure of the coaching staff. While I don't think they have done a wonderful job, complete turnover in the coaches will delay any progress. Plus, after watching Cards football, you would be disappointed with 9-7? Especially considering logic states that the team would continue to improve from there? (Disclaimer: The Cards seem to defy logic alot so I understand the danger in my statement)

I am not as enthused by the D players you have mentioned. Most are serviceable but I cannot see how you look past a very deep defensive draft for 2 rounds. Leftwich in round 1 would make sense but day 1 they had better get at minimum 2 defensive players...preferably 3.

 

[AZCB34]

FYI

http://www.gbnreport.com/

April 22
(5:00 PM): Early McGahee workout results...Gil Brandt of NFL.com reports that Miami RB Willis McGahee made one final statement that, despite undergoing reconstructive surgery last January to repair torn knee ligaments injured in the Hurricanes' Fiesta Bowl loss to Ohio State, he is still worthy of being a first round selection at the 2003 draft. Working out in front of a packed house of pro scouts and coaches, McGahee bench pressed 26 reps at 230 pounds (the usual in 225 pounds) and did some squats. McGahee didn't run an official 40 yard dash, but did run 50 yards twice, although they weren't timed as he was only running at about 80% capacity. McGahee also spent a good part of the work out catching passes.

 

[SECTION 11]

I think McGahee could kick Suggs' ass.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by AZCB34
after watching Cards football, you would be disappointed with 9-7?

Yeah, 9-7 is barely winning. Barely winning is crap.

I really really think we're getting a little to used to potential improvement.

 

[Stout]

Put me down for McGahee at our #37. I was a bit of a doubter, figuring I'd be happy with him in the third but not the second, but I've changed my mind. No one doubts he's a great player. All the questions surround his injury. The fact that he's running already, that he's still in shape and that, for God's sake, he's SQUATTING already, says he's headed in the right direction. I'm not saying he's going to be healthy this year or ever, or that it's not a huge risk, but I think we have to take that shot for the future. Let's face it, very few rookies have an impact. Let's take the shot and hope he becomes the next Emmit.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

I think talk radio in Arizona

Would be pretty interesting if the Cardinals went Leftwich and McGahee.

If we touch a RB in the draft, then we may as well trade Shipp.