What about Aaron Brooks?

[Fiasco]

He signed a six year contract in 2002 but obviously his relationship with the Saints has soured. I do not know the details of his contract.

He is a career 81 rated passer, has never thrown more ints then TD's and has started every game for the last four seasons.

Or am I just being stupid.

 

[Assface]

El choko supremo.

He's a loser and a whiner. I don't want him and don't feel that he'd be any better here. Everyone points to how DG resurected the carreers of several QBs in Minn and kept winning but for the most part they had all had some success elsewhere. Brooks doesn't have what it takes to be "the man." He might get us a few more wins but that's not good enough. I don't want to look forward to 8-8 or 9-7 every year. I want a QB who can get us to the playoffs and then win when we get there. I don't know who that will be but it's not Brooks.

 

[TRW]

A gamble...

but better than any QB on the roster right now IMO.

Better options out there? Not sure about that.

 

[az jam]

I don't see him being released as the Saints have no one else to take his place at this time. IMO Haslett will be fired and the new coach will try to re-build the Saints with Brooks as the qb.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Aaron Brooks would be an enormous step DOWN from what we currently have.

 

[PACardsFan]

Aaron Brooks would be an enormous step DOWN from what we currently have.

I agree wholeheartedly. If we liked Plummer's inconsistencies, then we'd really love this guy. He has regressed big time. He's the type of QB that is as good as the team around him. He would do absolutely NOTHING for a team like the Cardinals. He would provide NO leadership & plenty of 3 & outs. Most importantly, with the 3 & outs, he would shrug his shoulders & jog off the field. NO THANK YOU.

 

[chickenhead]

If he's been such a complainer on the Saints, I don't see him having the stomach for the Cards. He's talented, but he's inconsistent. Plus he's had an all-pro running back and Joe Horn to make him look good these past few years.

I'm really uncomfortable with these types of players - ones with "talent" and "intangibles" who get hyped for what amount to a few great comebacks and a few great fantasy performances. The Broncos may have fallen victim to this by taking Plummer off our hands. We should be smarter by now.

 

[Billy Flynt]

Or am I just being stupid.

You said it brutha!

 

[Pariah]

Aaron Brooks would be an enormous step DOWN from what we currently have.

He may not be the guy for us, but he most certainly is a step up from what we have.

 

[john h]

He signed a six year contract in 2002 but obviously his relationship with the Saints has soured. I do not know the details of his contract.

He is a career 81 rated passer, has never thrown more ints then TD's and has started every game for the last four seasons.

Or am I just being stupid.

I watched him play this past Sunday and he really did not look very good even though the Saints won. That was just one game however so I really have no clue about his real worth.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

He may not be the guy for us, but he most certainly is a step up from what we have.

I strongly, though respectfully, disagree.

 

[john h]

El choko supremo.

He's a loser and a whiner. I don't want him and don't feel that he'd be any better here. Everyone points to how DG resurected the carreers of several QBs in Minn and kept winning but for the most part they had all had some success elsewhere. Brooks doesn't have what it takes to be "the man." He might get us a few more wins but that's not good enough. I don't want to look forward to 8-8 or 9-7 every year. I want a QB who can get us to the playoffs and then win when we get there. I don't know who that will be but it's not Brooks.

I often read post about Denny resurecting QBs carreers. I really doubt a head coach can resurect any QB if he does not have the skills to start with. The coach may put better players around him. Maybe switch his offensive scheme but the coach cannot do much to make him a better player. A great QB has the so called "it" or he does not have "it". DG or any other coach is not going to come in here and make a marginal QB a Peyton Manning. Wish it was that easy. Yesterday I was listening to the Jim Rome radio show in my car. He made a statement that in the next hour one of his discussion would be "The Airizona Cardinals are going to have to make up their minds. Do they want to be a real NFL team or not?". I had to leave my car and never heard what he was discussing. Sure would like to have heard that. We are sure getting a lot of publicity lately. Mostly bad. Half the players in the NFL listen to Rome whether you like him or not. I like his player interviews. Yesterday he was talking to Troy Vincent and they got into leadership qualities. I do not think our Cards have really come together as a team and are screeming for some leadership. Smith comes as close to a leader as we have. He called a meeting before last weeks game. I got this gut feeling these guys are just playing the season out and many are looking forward to when they can leave. The Head Coach is going to have to gain the respect of the team and pull them together one way or the other. He got off on the wrong foot early this year and sent an unintended message to the players. He is going to have to overcome that which will not be easy. We all know he will be here for at least three years and likely five. We may draft some more good players but it is very important to make this a team and not a dictatorship.

 

[Pariah]

I strongly, though respectfully, disagree.

Variety (of opinions, in this case) is the spice of life.

 

[john h]

I agree wholeheartedly. If we liked Plummer's inconsistencies, then we'd really love this guy. He has regressed big time. He's the type of QB that is as good as the team around him. He would do absolutely NOTHING for a team like the Cardinals. He would provide NO leadership & plenty of 3 & outs. Most importantly, with the 3 & outs, he would shrug his shoulders & jog off the field. NO THANK YOU.

We are clearly going to have to sign a FA QB. King will be gone and we may keep McCown and Navarre. So just who can we sign? Recognize there are many teams on the hunt for FA QB's this year such as Dallas, Bears,etc. They will be in big demand. The good ones will not opt to come to AZ for obvious reasons. AZ has financial problems in that we were the only NFL team to lose money last year. This year is just marginally better in attendance so I assume we will once again not be throwing money around. We are going to end up with a player much like King or one who cannot get tied on with one of the better teams. We may not like Brooks but just as important Brooks may not like us. We are going to have a very limited selection pool. The question is not so much who do we like but who can we get. We all better hope and pray that McCown turns it around in the next three games because there is nothing on the horrizon unless we get very lucky. A trade seems the most likely possiblility of obtaining a QB that can start.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

While I wholeheartedly agree that Brooks is not the answer unless his attitude does a complete 180, to say he would be an enormous step down from Josh/King/Navarre is simply a case of pure myopia.

 

[PortlandCardFan]

I'm on the Kitna band-wagon!!!

 

[Pariah]

So just who can we sign?

I don't think the FA QB situtaion is as dire as it seems to be at first glance. Here are the guys, in order, that I think we be available that I'd like to have:

1. Brees (pipe dream, I know)
2. Greise (I'm hoping he'll be the "surprise" release of the off-season)
3. Kitna
4. Q. Carter
5. Bledsoe
6. Brooks
7. Johnson

 

[Cardinal Bob]

While I wholeheartedly agree that Brooks is not the answer unless his attitude does a complete 180, to say he would be an enormous step down from Josh/King/Navarre is simply a case of pure myopia.

How so? With Brooks you have a guy who makes mistakes, bad decisions, poor throws, and has a bad attitude about it. At least when Josh makes mistakes, bad decisions, or poor throws, his attitude is postive - he doesn't shrug his shoulders and mope his way over to the sidelines while blaming his coaches, WRs, OL, etc.

And another thing, Josh is a third-year player, and first-year starter. That tells me he has a lot of room to grow and improve. Aaron Brooks has been in the league for six years...and his performance is declining. This tells me he has reached his peak and it wasn't good.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

At least when Josh makes mistakes, bad decisions, or poor throws, his attitude is postive - he doesn't shrug his shoulders and mope his way over to the sidelines while blaming his coaches, WRs, OL, etc.

He doesn't have to, he has his loyal fan base to do that for him.

And another thing, Josh is a third-year player, and first-year starter. That tells me he has a lot of room to grow and improve. Aaron Brooks has been in the league for six years...and his performance is declining. This tells me he has reached his peak and it wasn't good.

To say Josh has a lot of room to improve is only opinion. He has started ten games this year and we still have the same anemic offense we had when Josh took the field Week 1 against the Rams. I'd say he's not showing much improvement. Trust me, I don't think Brooks is the answer, but he is having a statistically better year than McCown and has led his team to a better record even with:

- worse defense
- worse running game
- worse coaching staff
- equally awful offensive line
- comparable WRs

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I would love to see Brooks compete with McCown for the starting spot Brooks fits Greens system and I would be all for it!!!

 

[chickenhead]

Brooks is under contract until 2008. Not to say that New Orleans won't release him, but they might try to work a trade for longer than it takes other QBs to become available.

I'm on the Kitna bandwagon as well. He looked good last week; he looked good last year, and he seems like a great team player. He's still under contract, too, and I bet the Bengals get trade offers.

 

[TRW]

Aaron Brooks:

2001: Started 16 games Comp. Pct. 55.9% YPA: 6.87 TDs: 26 Int: 22 QB Rating: 76.4
2002: Started 16 games Com. Pct. 53.6% YPA: 6.77 TDs: 27 Int: 15 QB Rating 80.1
2003: Started 16 games Comp. Pct. 59.1 YPA: 6.85 TDs: 24 Int: 8 QB Rating 88.8
This year: Started 13 games Comp. Pct. 56.9% YPA: 6.76 TDs: 17 Int: 14 QB Rating: 77.3

94 TDs and 59 Ints over the last 3 full seasons and 13 games this season.

Hardly evidence that "Aaron Brooks has been in the league for six years...and his performance is declining". He actually IMPROVED each year from 2001 (his first as a starter) to 2003. This year, his stats show a decline but not up to now.

John Kitna:

2001 Started 15 games (with Seattle) Comp. Pct. 53.9 YPA: 5.54 TDS:12 Ints: 22 QB Rating: 61.1

2002 Started 12 games (Bengals) Comp. Pct. 62.2 YPA: 6.72 TDS: 16 Ints: 16 QB Rating: 79.1

2003: Started 16 games (Bengals) Comp. Pct. 62.3 YPA: 6.91 TDS: 26 Ints 15 QB Rating: 87.4

Of course, hasn't started or played much this season. TDs: 54 Ints: 53 over the 3 years he started the majority of games for his team (43 games). Brooks had 77 TDs and 45 Ints over the same period (48 games). Average is 1.25 TDs and 1.24 Ints. per game started for Kitna and 1.6 TDs and 0.94 Ints. per game started for Brooks. I didn't include this season since Kitna hasn't played.

I know stats don't tell the entire story but I think if Kitna -vs- Brooks is the discussion that I would rather have Brooks. Both of these guys have flaws and are not what I would consider a top echelon type QB. BUT, I think Brooks would have a better chance to flourish under Denny Green than Kitna. Kitna had a nice season last year but he was not really stellar in Seattle when he started there and I would bet he is a "one hit wonder" in Cincinnati last season. There is more of a reason he lost his job than the money Palmer is getting paid.

I was just curious about how Kitna and Brooks compared and was a bit surprised at what I found. Personally, I don't think we'll get either of them so it was simply an interesting exercise. I think either one is better than what we have right now.

 

[chickenhead]

You're right about them being fairly comparable. However, I think Brooks dramatic inconsistency on a game-by-game basis takes away from his improvement over a couple of seasons. That being said, it's just my opinion. I don't like his whining, and I think Kitna has handled the Palmer situation pretty well. I expect that Green and staff will be looking deeper into it than that.

 

[TRW]

You're right about them being fairly comparable. However, I think Brooks dramatic inconsistency on a game-by-game basis takes away from his improvement over a couple of seasons. That being said, it's just my opinion. I don't like his whining, and I think Kitna has handled the Palmer situation pretty well. I expect that Green and staff will be looking deeper into it than that.

I would rather stick with Josh than bring in Kitna. I was not of that mindset before but upon reflection think that Kitna is really not the answer for any team looking for a starter. He's just inconsistent and, like Jake, throws the stupid pick way too often.

 

[Bobcat]

He signed a six year contract in 2002 but obviously his relationship with the Saints has soured. I do not know the details of his contract.

He is a career 81 rated passer, has never thrown more ints then TD's and has started every game for the last four seasons.

Or am I just being stupid.

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Bobcat