Welcome Cam Johnson

[Mainstreet]

Wow. That is pretty shocking. The per/100 numbers are especially interesting. Ayton had an off/def rtg differential of +4. By far the best in the group. I had assumed that the case for Doncic for ROY was a slam dunk. It was closer than I imagined, even though Doncic certainly deserved the award.

There is certainly no shame whatsoever in choosing Ayton over Doncic with the #1 pick.

Not bad for a rookie 7 footer.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

That’s funny. He signs a deal and you complain we should have given him more. He says that he wants to prove himself and stay long term and you say he is leaving in two years.

I am beginning to think you are just trolling while pretending to be a fan. No one can go to such amazing lengths to find negative things to say and be serious.

This is out of line JC.

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is out of line JC.

Cheese called me out on that post and I already apologized for that more than a week ago.

see post #671

 

[JerkFace]

Per 36 minutes Cam Johnson is currently tied at 16th in the entire league in 3 point field goals made per game. And of the 15 players ahead of him only 8 are shooting a higher 3fg%. Not too shabby, especially given his huge slump back in January.

 

[JerkFace]

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[1Sun]

Per 36 minutes Cam Johnson is currently tied at 16th in the entire league in 3 point field goals made per game. And of the 15 players ahead of him only 8 are shooting a higher 3fg%. Not too shabby, especially given his huge slump back in January.

But that's the problem. He is a one dimensional player, and when his outside shot is slumping (as inevitably happens from time to time, even with the likes of Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson), he's useless and in fact hurts the team badly.

 

[Finito]

But that's the problem. He is a one dimensional player, and when his outside shot is slumping (as inevitably happens from time to time, even with the likes of Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson), he's useless and in fact hurts the team badly.

Keep looking for these flawless players.


You can name countless good 3 point shooters who had long NBA careers

 

[GatorAZ]

Korver carved out what 17 seasons?

 

[1Sun]

Keep looking for these flawless players.


You can name countless good 3 point shooters who had long NBA careers

With very rare exception (see Kyle Korver), they all could bring something else to the table when their 3 point shot wasn't falling, and certainly weren't net negatives when their 3 point shot wasn't falling...

 

[Finito]

With very rare exception (see Kyle Korver), they all could bring something else to the table when their 3 point shot wasn't falling, and certainly weren't net negatives when their 3 point shot wasn't falling...

JJ Reddick

wanna keep going?

 

[1Sun]

JJ Reddick

wanna keep going?

Reddick can drive, ball handle and pass, plus his defense is okay. Cam Johnson is downright awful in all four of those aspects.

 

[Finito]

Reddick can drive, ball handle and pass, plus his defense is okay. Cam Johnson is downright awful in all four of those aspects.

lol stop

Mike Miller

wanna keep going?

 

[1Sun]

lol stop

Mike Miller

wanna keep going?

Mike Miller was another rare exception in the Kyle Korver mold, and both Miller and Korver would be eaten alive in today's NBA.

Meanwhile, I suggest you go back to the first few pages of this very thread. This is the same player that had this board in full blown meltdown mode on draft night. He is no different as a player now.

 

[Finito]

Mike Miller was another rare exception in the Kyle Korver mold, and both Miller and Korver would be eaten alive in today's NBA.

Meanwhile, I suggest you go back to the first few pages of this very thread. This is the same player that had this board in full blown meltdown mode on draft night. He is no different as a player now.

that’s not the point. You have unrealistic expectations of players. We could have Dennis Rodman on this team and you would bitch about how he doesn’t give you anything on offense and isn’t a complete player despite the fact he was very important on 5 championship teams.

or how bout Ben Wallace?

Wanna talk about James Harden being one sided?

we can go on and on. This is the NBA and there is plenty of proof and plenty of examples of players who are “specialist” or one sided.

 

[1Sun]

that’s not the point. You have unrealistic expectations of players. We could have Dennis Rodman on this team and you would bitch about how he doesn’t give you anything on offense and isn’t a complete player despite the fact he was very important on 5 championship teams.

or how bout Ben Wallace?

Wanna talk about James Harden being one sided?

we can go on and on. This is the NBA and there is plenty of proof and plenty of examples of players who are “specialist” or one sided.

Rebounding is not something that slumps, nor is defense. And Rodman and Wallace provided both, as well as rim protection, meaning neither was one-dimensional.

Meanwhile, are you honestly comparing Cam Johnson to James Harden? So much for your credibility...

 

[JerkFace]

There is a reason why Monty often played Cam in critical moments in a game. He has one of the highest basketball IQs on the team and just the threat of him on the perimeter opens up the floor for all the other players. Having a player like Cam is important to the offense and every other team in the league would snap him up in a second if he was available. Just because we reached for him in the draft doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value.

 

[1Sun]

There is a reason why Monty often played Cam in critical moments in a game. He has one of the highest basketball IQs on the team and just the threat of him on the perimeter opens up the floor for all the other players. Having a player like Cam is important to the offense and every other team in the league would snap him up in a second if he was available. Just because we reached for him in the draft doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value.

Theoretically I can see this. Unfortunately, Cam's BBIQ did not have any physical ability to match, other that a streaky outside shot that opponents didn't respect enough to open up the floor. It's no wonder the team folded like a cheap lawn chair down the stretch of games.

Cam Johnson is a three point shooting specialist off the bench who is useless when his three point shot isn't falling. No more, no less. Think forward version of Eddie House.

 

[Carolinacacti]

More of a Eddie Johnson then Eddie House me think.

 

[Mainstreet]

More of a Eddie Johnson then Eddie House me think.

That would be a favorable comparison though.

 

[JerkFace]

More of a Eddie Johnson then Eddie House me think.

I would be thrilled if Cam reached an Eddie Johnson type career but ultimately I’ve always thought Wesley Person is a pretty fair and realistic comparison.

 

[Finito]

Rebounding is not something that slumps, nor is defense. And Rodman and Wallace provided both, as well as rim protection, meaning neither was one-dimensional.

Meanwhile, are you honestly comparing Cam Johnson to James Harden? So much for your credibility...

lol yeah one of us had no credibility. You’re not capable of having a back and forth legit conversation. Like I said keep looking for all these perfect players that you seen to think are out there

 

[Hoop Head]

There is a reason why Monty often played Cam in critical moments in a game. He has one of the highest basketball IQs on the team and just the threat of him on the perimeter opens up the floor for all the other players. Having a player like Cam is important to the offense and every other team in the league would snap him up in a second if he was available. Just because we reached for him in the draft doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value.

And he did show an ability to drive to the basket also. It didn't happen a lot but it seemed to help boost his confidence and get him out of his shooting slump. He's not that fast or quick but he is quick enough to blow by any opposing C that get put on him, either because of matchups or switches.

Since he does have a high BB-IQ he picks his spots and when he drives, he gets what he's after. I don't recall him being stuffed by anyone, which is good. It'll be vital to his success and development to develop that aspect more.

Here's one example of him throwing it down over Javale McGee after beating Anthony Davis.

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This wasn't the first or only time he did that, it was the most memorable though.

 

[1Sun]

lol yeah one of us had no credibility. You’re not capable of having a back and forth legit conversation. Like I said keep looking for all these perfect players that you seen to think are out there

You the one who is making false claims that I am searching for a "perfect" player with Lottery Pick, when in fact I am merely looking for something better than one-dimensional with that one dimension being inevitably subject to slumps and with the player being a negative on the court during such slumps. Then you compounded that by falsely claiming that Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace were one-dimensional. Then you compounded that by trying to evoke James Harden in a conversation about Cam Johnson. I stand by my credibility claim.

 

[Yuma]

Michael Jordan was one dimensional. He tended to just win chanpionships.

 

[1Sun]

Michael Jordan was one dimensional. He tended to just win chanpionships.

I don't see the notation there. Of course, Jordan could shoot, drive, ball handle, pass, rebound (for a guard) and defend, all at an elite level...