We HAD to get Shaq! (out of retirement post)

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The way I am looking at this trade is we HAD to get Shaq. Don't get me wrong, I HATE trading Marion. The guy is a stud. Probably when we got Grant Hill, Marion's days were numbered. Marion was grumbling about wanting to be traded and in a stroke of genious, Kerr convinced Grant Hill to come to Phoenix as an insurance policy on Marion's possible future departure, or playing disgruntled. Funny thing happened after we got Grant, D'Antoni found out he could play, and play well.

Our problem as a team is we can't match up well with San Antonio with Tim Duncan. We haven't got a guy to guard him in crunch time, and doubling him leads to Manu and Parker lighting us up off the pass outs from Duncan. We have to be able to guard Duncan one on one to beat the Spurs in any kind of series. I would have liked Pau, but the Lakers snapped him up, and now we have a team in our division we have to outplay at center with that Laker acquisition.

Old as Shaq is, he can still guard Duncan, Pau, etc. Do we need him to play 40+ minutes? Hell no. We just need to be able to make some stops, and we NEED a legit low post threat in the playoffs when teams pack it into the paint. Shaq can still do those things even as old as he is. In fact, most nights we don't even need Shaq. We just need him when we play upper echelon teams, and in the play offs for fourth quarter defense and offense.

Don't buy the argument Shaq will slow us down. Kareem Abdul Jabbar hardly ever ran on the fast break, and the Lakers had one of the most potent fast breaks in NBA history during Jabbar's tenure. Shaq will help our rebounding. He can outlet pass with the best of centers in NBA history. His presence will allow Amare to leak out more on the break. Our fast break will get better, not worse, when Shaq is on the floor.

Face it, Amare is a great player, but he's just no center right now in his career. For us to keep Marion, Amare had to step up and be able to play centers without fouling out. That experiment just didn't work. Amare is a true power forward. Now we can put Amare at his true position, and hopefully the foul problems will be lessened to a degree for Amare. That's no knock on Amare, who is probably the second coming of Karl Malone at his young age!

Phoenix has had a hole at center as long as they've been in the league, with apologies to Alvin Adams, Mark West, etc. We just haven't had the kind of guy teams have feared in the middle. Even at Shaq's advanced age, there aren't too many guys who will try and take it to the hole with him in the lane.

Something had to be done. Kerr is taking a shot. I personally like this move because it makes us competitive with the Spurs, and it buys us time to hopefully get a younger center with the Atlanta pick whether we use the pick or trade it. I also feel a lot better about our play off chances this year with Shaq than I have in a few seasons now. In fact, I came out of posting retirement because this trade has made me that excited about the Suns chances this year in the play offs! Bring on the Spurs!
 
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Yuma! I took a semi break as well, but may post some as we see how this thing with shaq pans out.
 

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I looked at Shaq's game logs at the start of the season, and he has been good rebounding wise, and had big 20/10 games when he played some "key" matchups for him...

Thats in a team with poor play makers and without Wade.
 
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I looked at Shaq's game logs at the start of the season, and he has been good rebounding wise, and had big 20/10 games when he played some "key" matchups for him...

Thats in a team with poor play makers and without Wade.

Like I said, I watched some games where he's played well, and then without any explanation, the Heat would not play him, especially in the 4th quarter where they would end up losing games. It was almost like they are throwing games on purpose. How can you not play Shaq especially when the other team is driving down your lane like it's a friggen highway! ;)
 
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Yuma! I took a semi break as well, but may post some as we see how this thing with shaq pans out.

Maybe we might get back to posting a lot because I have a feeling this Shaq thing is going to pan out, in a big way. First time in a while I feel we really have a legit shot at a title! :)
 

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Welcome back Yuma.

I think can be our reasonable expectations of Shaq.

1. Play 25 minutes a game.
2. Play tough physical interior defense.
3. Box out and rebound.
4. Initiate the fast break with the outlet pass or the inbound. He will have to learn how to do this the Suns way.
5. Catch and dunk when Amare is double-teamed.
6. Keep opposing defenses honest, forcing them to play him down low-preferrably the double team.

From our team last year.

We have replaced KT with Shaq.
We have replaced Marion with Grant Hill (and Boris Diaw hopefully)
 
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Welcome back Yuma.

I think can be our reasonable expectations of Shaq.

1. Play 25 minutes a game.
2. Play tough physical interior defense.
3. Box out and rebound.
4. Initiate the fast break with the outlet pass or the inbound. He will have to learn how to do this the Suns way.
5. Catch and dunk when Amare is double-teamed.
6. Keep opposing defenses honest, forcing them to play him down low-preferrably the double team.

From our team last year.

We have replaced KT with Shaq.
We have replaced Marion with Grant Hill (and Boris Diaw hopefully)

I think we can win it all this year if Shaq guards Duncan like he has in the past, and averages ONLY 10 points, 12 boards, and 2+ blocked shots a game. Anytime Phoenix has got those numbers out of a legitimate center, we've been right there with the top teams. Our defensive rebounding just got a lot better! Now Amare can play his true position, and Diaw/Hill can play their true positions at small forward. We suddenly become a "big" team, instead of a small team. I could imagine a scenario when we really go big with Shaq, Amare, Diaw, Hill, and Nash on the floor at times. :)
 
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Sure, Camby would have been a better fit IMO but i'm patiently optomistic about the Big Saguaro coming in to help us in the post-season.

I know Camby would have fit our style better, but can he guard Tim Duncan? I know Denver seemingly has a worse time against San Antonio than us. The Shaq move is all about getting past SA. Especially the timing of the talks coming right after a loss to SA at home, without them having Tony Parker or Brent Barry, too.
 
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