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SURPRISE!!! No really, Surprise.
Hey guys, I am still rather new to the site, first time posting here.

I listened to the interview this morn on 910 with Warner, and he really wants to start.

I will tell you, this guy impressed me as a person. A real classy guy.

But after last season my emotions are mixed. Who do you think should start?
 

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Though some might disagree, but what we think doesn't matter. It's what the coach/coaches think. I have confidence that the Whis will start whoever gives us the best chance to win. This isn't a Green Bay situation. Let's see how they do in the exhibitions.
 

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I think Kurt is a GREAT QB. If Leinart ends up winning the job I hope he deserves it more than he did last year.
 

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After the troubles in getting the season tickets sold this offseason we need to have a good season to keep selling tickets or the new place is going to turn into Sun Devil Stadium Again.

You better believe that Wiz feels pressure from up above to win next season. He is not in a building mode anymore he is in a win now mode. With that in mind Wiz will pick whom he feels best will get them wins this year. If he picks Matt it will not be because he is trying to groom him it will be becuase he feels Matt truley gives him the best chance to win.

Also it will not be a money issue. Meaning he does not feel pressure to play Matt because of the investment in him. Warner is actually making more then Matt right now and because Matt hasnt played that much he has not recieved any of his incentives or escalators yet and is actually not making all that much in terms of starting QB's.
 

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After the troubles in getting the season tickets sold this offseason we need to have a good season to keep selling tickets or the new place is going to turn into Sun Devil Stadium Again.

Nope. Never again will the Cardinals play in a stadium less than half full. That said, next season will be the first we don't sell out if we have another bad year.
 

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Warner wants to start.

I sure hope so, everyone else on the team wants to be a starter too. No one makes it in to this league by wanting to be a backup.
 

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After the troubles in getting the season tickets sold this offseason we need to have a good season to keep selling tickets or the new place is going to turn into Sun Devil Stadium Again.

You better believe that Wiz feels pressure from up above to win next season. He is not in a building mode anymore he is in a win now mode. With that in mind Wiz will pick whom he feels best will get them wins this year. If he picks Matt it will not be because he is trying to groom him it will be becuase he feels Matt truley gives him the best chance to win.

Also it will not be a money issue. Meaning he does not feel pressure to play Matt because of the investment in him. Warner is actually making more then Matt right now and because Matt hasnt played that much he has not recieved any of his incentives or escalators yet and is actually not making all that much in terms of starting QB's.

I agree Joe. Whiz will start the best guy with a tie going to Leinart. I thought how he handled the situation in the off season was brilliant. It lit a fire under both Qbs. I also think this is a real pivotal year. We can't afford another sub par season. If that were to happen I think we would see some of the core players start to check out (I think we're already starting to see signs of this with the Q, Dockett, & Wilson contract issues.) Its funny how winning makes everyone content.
 

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I sure hope so, everyone else on the team wants to be a starter too. No one makes it in to this league by wanting to be a backup.

Thank you. St Pierre would like to start too I bet.

Still, I want whats best for the team, but I hope that's Leinart. If he plays well, we could have a good starting QB for 10 years.
 

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I am not convinced they will start anybody but ML. I think it's a forgone conclusion despite what is being said in public. ML needs to have a great year IMO or we should move on.

Nothing surprises me with this team. I wouldn't be surprised to see ML have a break out year and I wouldn't be surprised to see Kurt starting by midyear. It could go either way. I just want to see the best QB on the field. I don't care who it is.
 

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Matt Leinart is a quality young QB who got hurt last year after some system issues and an obvious offseason drinking problem. But he is more mobile, durable and turns the ball over less than Warner. That would be enough to warrant the starting job in itself, but he is also our potential franchise QB for the next 10 seasons.

Warner had a courageous season last year and a rehabilitation of sorts mentally. He still threw too many interceptions and in my view hurt the team with his constant pressure on the coaches to throw more. The Cardinals were *very* predictably forcing the ball downfield under Warner when there was not a need to do so. At Cleveland we had a first & 10 at midfield at a crucial moment in the game, and I said "20 yard pass over the middle, intercepted" and sure enough there it was. With Leinart we are able to establish the ground game and go play-action in both directions. That is in my opinion why Whis put Leinart into the Steelers game when he did. The running game and play-action was working but Warner would have had us chucking bombs at every opportunity.

Also, don't forget Warner does not have the durability nor the stamina (mental or physical) at this point to start 16 games and be effective and not be hurt. Whis was brilliant last year in using him as a George Blanda type no-huddle specialist, but not as a 60 minute starter.

Should we forget the 2006 season? As the team's then-appointed starter Warner was a bruised and beaten car wreck. His performance against the Rams was possibly the worst game played by any professional athlete in sports history, because it went beyond stats like "5 ints" or "zero passing yards" to being almost unreal or mutinous. Warner had what seemed like almost a manic determination to lose the game at all costs. On one play he forgot which team he was playing for and threw the ball to the Rams, I am convinced, momentarily believing he was playing for his former team. At the end of the game I told my Dad, "Warner needs to take two snaps from center to win the game but I don't think he can do it." Sure enough he muffed a snap. I believe if we had another possession that day Warner would have fainted on the field, or ran 50 yards in the wrong direction for a safety.

Again. Warner had a brave and amazing season last year and I grew to respect him as a person and a football player, though he still turned the ball over habitually and hampered the offense with bad decisions. Warner is not an every game, every down QB for the Cardinals, only Leinart is.

Everyone expects Leinart to boom or bust this season, my own expectation is that he will just need to make simple plays and will look better and better if the team improves around him. The Cardinals have enough talent on offense to make any competent QB look very, very good. Leinart will not be the MVP of the NFL, but I think he can help win a lot of games this year with quiet stats. You know, the kind of games where Jake Plummer showed good leadership when the team won, but didn't get the job done when we lost. Equal efforts by the QB, difference in team play around him. Also, having Leinart in the game doing OK is better than Warner in the game doing OK because as soon as Warner gets hurt, you upset the continuity & rhythm for the receivers and backs, and Warner can't get hurt on the sidelines so you keep him around as a useful backup and not a casualty.

By the way, creepy looking or not Kent Graham was a very underrated Cardinal. He was clutch! Give him an impossible 4th down and he was golden. Racked up some big offensive numbers with Boomer Esiason for a much improved Cardinal team in Vince Tobin's first year. Jim Fassel was a great OC that year, before going to the Giants and finally being tossed out of the league for winning too often.
 

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Great comments! I agree with most of them except I'm not comfortable with Leinart's durabilty. He needs to show that he can take a hard hit without ending up on the disabled list.
 

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Agreed on the great comments and this is my take too. Especially with all the inital reviews I am not worried about Matt under center.

I am worried that he's injury prone. If we keep him upright for 16 games we go 10 - 6 IMO.
 

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I want Leinart to start. The memories in my mind of Kurt Warner losing games for this franchise are too fresh (fumbling in the end zone against SF, fumbling on the 30 against St. Louis, the inopportune INTs, etc., etc.). How soon we forget why Warner lost his job (not due to injury, but for poor play) to being with.
 

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Hey guys, I am still rather new to the site, first time posting here.

I listened to the interview this morn on 910 with Warner, and he really wants to start.

I will tell you, this guy impressed me as a person. A real classy guy.

But after last season my emotions are mixed. Who do you think should start?


I think the guy who shows he is the best QB in training camp should start. No one should be handed the job in our situation. If you are a Payton Manning or Tom Brady you clearly go to camp and will start the season if you are healthy. In our case, Warner is a proven QB. Matt is still trying to earn his wings. I think most of us hope he is the best QB and wins the job on his merits as he is young and hopefully our QB of the future. In the NFL the future for teams is NOW so I want the QB who gives us the best chance of winning to be the starter. I do not care if it is Matt or Kurt.
 

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I am not convinced they will start anybody but ML. I think it's a forgone conclusion despite what is being said in public. ML needs to have a great year IMO or we should move on.

Nothing surprises me with this team. I wouldn't be surprised to see ML have a break out year and I wouldn't be surprised to see Kurt starting by midyear. It could go either way. I just want to see the best QB on the field. I don't care who it is.

If we change QB's at mid year we are in trouble. The worst thing we could do is start Matt if he is not ready. It could kill all his confidence. Team players will know who the best QB is by the time training camp is over. It likely will be very clear to them. If the coach does not start the best guy, whoever he is it will put a lot of question marks in the players heads. If we start out 0-3 it will put a lot of questions in my head. We were 8/8 last year. We clearly need to improve on that or we are going backwards. I personally think our success will hinge on being able to run the ball. It effects everything including passing. We have seen JJ and Shipp long enough to know what to expect and that is not very much. RB's are usually good from the get-go if they are going to be good. They do not often improve with age unless they have been used in a bad offense. The average RB in the NFL last only 4 years I have read. QB's generally get better with age up to a point. We have not seen enough of Matt to have any idea of what kind of QB he is going to be and he is very short on experience.
 

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As Kurt mentioned today on Bickley and Jurecki’s show, it is a very difficult decision to make, and even he is glad he doesn’t have to make it.

After everything that’s happened to Matt on the field and off, for me it’s kind of hard to generate a genuinely massive amount of enthusiasm for him. But then I think, he’s just a kid, man… and Lord knows I was no saint in my youth, or even now for that matter. If he caught on fire and led us to the Promised Land, I think I’d more than likely slide back into a social-coma as I normally do when I witness gifted performances from any athlete.

And then there are those electrifying moments when Kurt flashes his A-game for all to see… For me personally, there are few others I’ve seen do it any better, and when he’s really on it, it harkens back to the numbing accuracy he displayed during the Super Bowl run he had with the Lambs. Amazing… simply amazing… why WOULD anyone want that guy riding the pines? He commands respect and oozes leadership… that’s some serious sand in your face, Buster.

Yet I totally understand Whis’ standpoint on naming Matt the initial starter, and I guess only time will tell if it works out or not… but I don’t believe it’s necessarily fair to judge him too harshly on it. Because… say Matt has a lights-out season and Kurt stays on the bench all year… Who’s to know whether we would’ve had lightening-in-a-bottle in front of the Gatorade stand all year, while Matt does the dealio on the field?… Who’s to know Kurt wouldn’t have gone out and even out-performed Matt to some dizzyingly degree I think we all know he is capable of? Or even worse, what if Kurt starts, has decent numbers, and then starts in with flipping balls on the carpet when we absolutely need it? I can see that happening so clearly in my mind, it’s frightening.

Of course in the final analysis, there is no telling for sure… and so you have to pick your poison and take it like a man. Personally, I don’t mind Matt sitting on the bench to start… you have a guy (Warner) who was a top ten quarterback last year and did a lot of it having one wing tied to his body with chicken-wire. Yet I don’t have to pay a guy mind-boggling amounts of money to sit on the bench either, so it’s easy for me to put Matt there again and fantasize about how Steve Young blossomed by holding a clip-board.

Either way, if whoever wins the job falters a bit to begin with… fans from the other side of the fence will start in with the “I told you so’s” fairly quickly, I think.

I hope not, though.
 

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The joy of logic. For me, personal bias aside, I think it more logical to utilize the known commodity while it's viable. Start Warner. If he falters, then find out what the future holds. Even during the season, hopes are held in place using that order. If Leinart starts, performs awful and Warner has to come in, a damper is placed on the season as well as "the future". Much like last year. IMO of course.
 

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Hey guys, I am still rather new to the site, first time posting here.

I listened to the interview this morn on 910 with Warner, and he really wants to start.

I will tell you, this guy impressed me as a person. A real classy guy.

But after last season my emotions are mixed. Who do you think should start?

Warner wants to start, and I want 20 million over the next 10 years to stay away from my job. Guess what. Neither is going to happen. That is, unless I win the lottery and Leinart gets injured.
 
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