UPDATE: CB Will Johnson signs rookie contract

[PDXChris]

would daryl washington start on this defense?

He's still in great shape!!

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[BACH]

4 Years - Total value $9,410,778. Nothing on garantees yet

 

[Cardinal88]

4 Years - Total value $9,410,778. Nothing on garantees yet

I am interested in what he gets in guarantees. Last Friday, I said $9.4M and $7.5M in guaranteed money. After the guy before and behind signed, I think I changed my guess to $9.5M or thereabouts. Pretty close and I'm guessing the guaranteed money will be close as well.

 

[BACH]

I am interested in what he gets in guarantees. Last Friday, I said $9.4M and $7.5M in guaranteed money. After the guy before and behind signed, I think I changed my guess to $9.5M or thereabouts. Pretty close and I'm guessing the guaranteed money will be close as well.

Me too.

I heard in a podcast that Texans gave Ersary at #48 a 100% fully garanteed contract. Haven’t seen it confirmed. I bet that was the hold up if true.

 

[Cardinal88]

Me too.

I heard in a podcast that Texans gave Ersary at #48 a 100% fully garanteed contract. Haven’t seen it confirmed. I bet that was the hold up if true.

I think I saw somewhere that the third year is partially guaranteed but didn’t see an amount. But it doesn’t make sense because the contracts are 4 year contracts for 2nd rounders. .

 

[kerouac9]

I think I saw somewhere that the third year is partially guaranteed but didn’t see an amount. But it doesn’t make sense because the contracts are 4 year contracts for 2nd rounders. .

Melton’s third year is fully guaranteed. Only $30k of his fourth year salary is guaranteed.

 

[Cardinal88]

Looks like his prorated signing bonus and guaranteed money is $7.660M. A little higher than I thought but good for him!

Current Contract​

(Drafted, signed 2025)​

indicates contract trigger occuring during that year)

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Signing Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2025	22	$840,000	$871,049		$840,000		$1,711,049	0.6%		$7,660,118	($5,949,069)
2026	23	$1,267,762	$871,049		$1,267,762		$2,138,811	0.7%		$5,949,069	($3,810,258)
2027	24	$1,695,524	$871,049		$1,695,524		$2,566,573	0.8%		$3,810,258	($1,243,685)
2028	25	$2,123,286	$871,049		$372,636		$2,994,335	--		$1,243,685	$1,750,650
Total		$5,926,572	$3,484,196		$4,175,922		$9,410,768

 

[oaken1]

Looks like his prorated signing bonus and guaranteed money is $7.660M. A little higher than I thought but good for him!

Current Contract​

(Drafted, signed 2025)​

indicates contract trigger occuring during that year)

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Signing Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %		Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
2025	22	$840,000	$871,049		$840,000		$1,711,049	0.6%		$7,660,118	($5,949,069)
2026	23	$1,267,762	$871,049		$1,267,762		$2,138,811	0.7%		$5,949,069	($3,810,258)
2027	24	$1,695,524	$871,049		$1,695,524		$2,566,573	0.8%		$3,810,258	($1,243,685)
2028	25	$2,123,286	$871,049		$372,636		$2,994,335	--		$1,243,685	$1,750,650
Total		$5,926,572	$3,484,196		$4,175,922		$9,410,768

so the first three years fully guaranteed and 372k of year four...thats a good deal for the kid.
It appears the organization did not in fact trry to nickle and dime him nor cheat him out of guaranteed money...because thats all but about 1.7mil totally guaranteed

 

[Stout]

Sorry. Must have missed the memo, that you are the one dictating what other posters should believe.

As I teach in self-advocacy, you absolutely have the right to say anything you want...and you also have the right to field every possible response. I'm not saying what posters should say or think. Want to be blind homers to the team? Go for it. I'll think it's a bad take and note that 10 times out of 10, but go for it

 

[oaken1]

As I teach in self-advocacy, you absolutely have the right to say anything you want...and you also have the right to field every possible response. I'm not saying what posters should say or think. Want to be blind homers to the team? Go for it. I'll think it's a bad take and note that 10 times out of 10, but go for it

I tiptoe into blind homerism sometimes....and I tiptoe into "fire everybody, burn the buildings down and sell the damn team" territory at times as well. I can be such an emo bitch when it comes to the Redbirds.

but its an undeniable fact that we are undefeated in 2025!!

 

[BACH]

As I teach in self-advocacy, you absolutely have the right to say anything you want...and you also have the right to field every possible response. I'm not saying what posters should say or think. Want to be blind homers to the team? Go for it. I'll think it's a bad take and note that 10 times out of 10, but go for it

1. Obsolutely agree with that.
2. We must have different views the right to your opinion then. Calling people sycophants to Bidwill, because they have a different view than you and creating false narratives to support your opinion isn’t exactly respecting other people’s right to have an opinion from my point of view.

I did grow up in a country with much higher individual freedom and respect around individual freedom than the US, so that might be a cultural difference.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

He's still in great shape!!

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That was 8 years ago.

 

[Stout]

1. Obsolutely agree with that.
2. We must have different views the right to your opinion then. Calling people sycophants to Bidwill, because they have a different view than you and creating false narratives to support your opinion isn’t exactly respecting other people’s right to have an opinion from my point of view.

I did grow up in a country with much higher individual freedom and respect around individual freedom than the US, so that might be a cultural difference.

You're confusing the right to have an individual opinion and the right to have that opinion respected. This is the logic that cries foul when a hate speech advocate gets crucified in public. "But, but I have the RIGHT to say hateful things!" People do. People have the right to say anything and everything that comes to mind, legal or illegal. They also have the right to reap the whirlwind their words bring.

Your whole "individual freedom" take is the same. You are trying to posit that you have a right to an opinion AND HAVE EVERYONE GIVE WAY TO THAT OPINION. That is not a right. That is an aggressive thought pattern, "How dare you disagree with me! How dare you speak (type) a contrary opinion!"

People have a right to defend the Cardinals no matter what; I have the right to say that opinion is blind homerism. Both are opinions. Neither mean we can't respect each other.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

perhaps. Lots of these guys want to "re" set the market.
But it has become standard O.P. for 2nd round picks to be the last to fall...agents routinely wait until the guys around their guy sign..
with our guy, the player just in front and the player just behind have now both been signed...so its easy enough to split the difference between those two contracts.


for the sake of argument I would hazard there are very few "Good" NFL agents...by my standards anyway. I believe in Right and Fair...and as an agent would fight to get the best and most that was right and fair for my client. sometimes that might involve telling my client that despite his ego he is in fact "Not" the best damn WR on the planet and does not deserve to be paid like he is. However, He "IS" better than JoeBob and BillyBob, who both got "X" trazillion dollars last year...and then the salary cap went up 12 percent....so I am thinking "X Trazillion dollars plus 15 percent"...but not X Trazillion dollars plus 50 percent.
Greed has never been a part of my makeup, but ethics has. which is why even though I really love cars, and I love the sales process...I have never gone into car sales. Greed and poor ethics run amok in that business and I just cant bring myself to participate.
So, I dunno...maybe I would make an absolute shyte sports agent, lol....but I just think both sides should be working to an agreement that is mutually beneficial while being fair and morally correct.

Yes you would make a terrible agent. While they should manage their client’s expectations, their entire job is maximizing their clients earning power. Particularly in an industry where your earning power has a shelf life, the average shelf life is short, and that shelf life can be snapped like a twig in a moment. “Fair” doesn’t come into play. And there’s nothing unethical about getting the most possible for your client.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

so the first three years fully guaranteed and 372k of year four...thats a good deal for the kid.
It appears the organization did not in fact trry to nickle and dime him nor cheat him out of guaranteed money...because thats all but about 1.7mil totally guaranteed

We don’t actually know what the organization “tried” to do, we only know where they ended up.

 

[BACH]

You're confusing the right to have an individual opinion and the right to have that opinion respected. This is the logic that cries foul when a hate speech advocate gets crucified in public. "But, but I have the RIGHT to say hateful things!" People do. People have the right to say anything and everything that comes to mind, legal or illegal. They also have the right to reap the whirlwind their words bring.

Your whole "individual freedom" take is the same. You are trying to posit that you have a right to an opinion AND HAVE EVERYONE GIVE WAY TO THAT OPINION. That is not a right. That is an aggressive thought pattern, "How dare you disagree with me! How dare you speak (type) a contrary opinion!"

People have a right to defend the Cardinals no matter what; I have the right to say that opinion is blind homerism. Both are opinions. Neither mean we can't respect each other.

It is a cultural thing then.

When you go to personal attacks to counter argue instead of posting argumentation to support your view is not considered respectful IMO.

When you have to create a false narritive to argue your point because you do have enough to argue it straight is just small dick energy IMO.

 

[oaken1]

It is a cultural thing then.

When you go to personal attacks to counter argue instead of posting argumentation to support your view is not considered respectful IMO.

When you have to create a false narritive to argue your point because you do have enough to argue it straight is just small dick energy IMO.

That's really the difference between debating facts and sharing opinions though.

One doesn't need facts to support an opinion and it would often be nearly impossible to find some that do.

My opinion...Tre Benson is a better RB than JC at this point.
Zero facts needed as it's my opinion and 5 gigs of internet stats wouldn't change my mind anyway.

However...
Trey Benson was more productive than JC last season....stats now come into play...you may debate what you consider "productive" but there are tons of stats to disprove the statement.

Data sets, stats, links,...all 100% irrelevant when discussing opinions. Because opinions are based more on feeling and personal perception.

If one were to say...Ronald Reagan was the 45th president of the United States...that's not an opinion...it's a fact based statement that is just wrong...and a link should suffice to change the mind of any reasonable person.

Sports is full of opinions. Sports is full of stats...and they rarely correlate.

 

[Shane]

It is a cultural thing then.

When you go to personal attacks to counter argue instead of posting argumentation to support your view is not considered respectful IMO.

When you have to create a false narritive to argue your point because you do have enough to argue it straight is just small dick energy IMO.

Listen that’s not the type of stuff that belongs on this board EVER! Enjoy the long break!

 

[Stout]

It is a cultural thing then.

When you go to personal attacks to counter argue instead of posting argumentation to support your view is not considered respectful IMO.

When you have to create a false narritive to argue your point because you do have enough to argue it straight is just small dick energy IMO."

"Small dick energy," and "Personal attacks." I'm talking about disagreeing with opinions and you literally make a personal attack. Uh huh. Disagreeing with someone's opinion isn't a personal attack. I think you've just made my point for me.

 

[CardNots]

Data sets, stats, links,...all 100% irrelevant when discussing opinions. Because opinions are based more on feeling and personal perception.

Sports is full of opinions. Sports is full of stats...and they rarely correlate.

Perfectly stated. Add gut to feeling