Tyler Johnson to the Suns

[Yuma]

The draft will determine a lot.

1. If we get the top pick, we draft Zion and make a trade for a quality pg. Free agency could work too.
2. If we end up 4-6 in the draft, we will trade the pick and try to get a pg or we trade a wing for a pg and draft the BPA.
3. If we draft Morant we have a problem. We still need a vet pg AND a pf. I would assume we trade one of our wings for a pf and sign a lesser FA pg.

If we do end up 4 we keep the pick. Any chance at Zion you stay in. If we lose the lottery for Zion, who would want to move up after that? I think we stay up there for Ja Morant.

 

[1Sun]

If we do end up 4 we keep the pick. Any chance at Zion you stay in. If we lose the lottery for Zion, who would want to move up after that? I think we stay up there for Ja Morant.

And then we still have a gaping hole at point guard, power forward or both.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think you may be onto something. The Suns knowing they would not be players in free agency decided they wanted a large expiring contract for next year. They had one with Anderson, but by keeping him they would have to pay him an extra 6 million vs waiving him.

Johnson give them their large expiring and also saves them a couple million.

Yep. A large expiring next year with a guy on a rookie contract will get you a max player.

It's obvious the Suns understand no big time free agent that's worth it will come to Phoenix.

 

[Yuma]

And then we still have a gaping hole at point guard, power forward or both.

After Zion there are some good PF in this draft. Anyone near the top of the board at PF will be good!

 

[devilalum]

After Zion there are some good PF in this draft. Anyone near the top of the board at PF will be good!

The more I watch the more I become frustrated with he Suns PF play. Or more specifically the lack of rebounding. There is nothing more frustrating than watching Ex-Manimal get offensive board after board while the Suns flail about like fish out of water.


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[Yuma]

The more I watch the more I become frustrated with he Suns PF play. Or more specifically the lack of rebounding. There is nothing more frustrating than watching Ex-Manimal get offensive board after board while the Suns flail about like fish out of water.


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I think that's more of a system thing where Igor encourages Ayton to go out and guard the three. That just leaves the lane wide open. I am old school. The center should remain down low. Let a guard play a center if he's out at the three point line. You aren't going to block a center's three point shot anyway.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

After Zion there are some good PF in this draft. Anyone near the top of the board at PF will be good!

Not being argumentative here, but who?

 

[AzStevenCal]

We got to start swinging for the fences. Ayton is our centerpiece. Everyone else can go if we can get a star to superstar. With our current roster, with the addition of anyone else but Zion, we are still going to be bad. Do we really expect a rookie pg to turn everything around?

I couldn't agree less. We have to continue developing these guys unless a can't miss trade comes along. The worst thing we can do is to try and short-cut this process. Remember, swinging for the fences fails often even when you have a power hitter at the plate. And if you think we're in bad shape now, trade away some or much of our future for this big bat you're talking about and see how bad we look when he walks away. What big star is going to want to play babysitter to however many kids remain after this big swing? Few, if any.

 

[95pro]

I couldn't agree less. We have to continue developing these guys unless a can't miss trade comes along. The worst thing we can do is to try and short-cut this process. Remember, swinging for the fences fails often even when you have a power hitter at the plate. And if you think we're in bad shape now, trade away some or much of our future for this big bat you're talking about and see how bad we look when he walks away. What big star is going to want to play babysitter to however many kids remain after this big swing? Few, if any.

Swinging for the fences, to me, would be the same as a cant miss trade.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Swinging for the fences, to me, would be the same as a cant miss trade.

Usually, it means taking huge risks.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Swinging for the fences, to me, would be the same as a cant miss trade.

Really? To me they are almost opposites in that it is always a gamble to swing for the fences. If there's a star or one on his way that actually looks like a candidate to stay here, I'd be willing to move picks and some of the young guys but I just don't see that player out there. Do you?

 

[SirStefan32]

To me, swinging for the fences means taking a risk, going all-in, etc. I agree with Steve. No short cuts. Stay the course.

 

[Mainstreet]

To me, swinging for the fences is what Mark Cuban is doing with the Mavericks.

Doing it the right way requires educated risk.

 

[AzStevenCal]

To me, swinging for the fences is what Mark Cuban is doing with the Mavericks.

Doing it the right way requires educated risk.

I think the Porzingis move is very much an example of swinging for the fences. I would have despised it had we done it but it's a reasonable gamble for the Mavericks and it could pay off big for them. But, different situations and especially, different owners.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the Porzingis move is very much an example of swinging for the fences. I would have despised it had we done it but it's a reasonable gamble for the Mavericks and it could pay off big for them. But, different situations and especially, different owners.

I certainly would not have traded Booker for him as it was once rumored. However, I think Porzingis is well worth the risk.

I could see the Suns trading two protected first round picks for him and Warren as part of a package. It's a definite risk though and like you say different owners.

I'm not sure if Sarver would pay him the money he is looking for and Porzingis has a relationship with Dirk and Doncic.

 

[Western Font]

This trade is fine. He could surprise us, but we don't expect Tyler Johnson (TJ2? TyJo? Tyler? Tyler.) to be on the roster in two years, and that's fine because his expiring contract serves a purpose.

We're just going to have to wait until May 14 to see where we land in the lottery.

 

[1Sun]

After Zion there are some good PF in this draft. Anyone near the top of the board at PF will be good!

Not if we're drafting Morant with the pick.

 

[95pro]

Ok I get what you guys are saying. I mean we need to be aggressive and t

To me, swinging for the fences is what Mark Cuban is doing with the Mavericks.

Doing it the right way requires educated risk.

Ok this is more along of what I meant. I understand as other have said, that is is a gamble. I just don't see us going anywhere in the near future with our roster and waiting on the draft, then our limited cap space.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ok this is more along of what I meant. I understand as other have said, that is is a gamble. I just don't see us going anywhere in the near future with our roster and waiting on the draft, then our limited cap space.

Maybe I am one of the few but I think the Suns are closer than we might think. Add a starting caliber point guard and a power forward, I think they are ready to compete.

If the Suns do not get lucky in the draft, they may need to make a move if the right player becomes available in trade. The Suns cannot keep waiting for the draft to determine their future.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The draft will determine a lot.

1. If we get the top pick, we draft Zion and make a trade for a quality pg. Free agency could work too.
2. If we end up 4-6 in the draft, we will trade the pick and try to get a pg or we trade a wing for a pg and draft the BPA.
3. If we draft Morant we have a problem. We still need a vet pg AND a pf. I would assume we trade one of our wings for a pf and sign a lesser FA pg.

Drafting Morant doesn’t give us any problems. That simply means that we can look for a cheaper more short term answer at PG while looking for a more long term answer at PF. If we don’t draft a PG than we will specifically be looking for a long term answer at that spot.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't like to dream but if the Suns should get lucky and draft Zion they will have arrived. Add a point guard via trade or free agency and they are good to go.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is some good news. The Suns will continue to look for a point guard. When is a question.

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[Hoop Head]

Part of the issue when making a move that is a big gamble is who makes that move, and by that I mean that would James Jones. I like what he's done so far, he's shown he's patient and won't make a deal just to make a deal and that's a good thing. However when it comes to swinging for the fences or taking a gamble on a star player that needs to be reviewed and analyzed from multiple angles before pulling the plug.

To use another sports analogy, it's 3rd and long with little time left on the clock, we have James Jones in at QB. I'm fine with him throwing a check down pass toward the sideline for a manageable 4th down situation because I don't trust his arm strength to run down the clock looking for a hail mary. A pass to the sidelines still leaves us down but we're in a much better position to convert on 4th down than we were previously.

 

[1Sun]

Here is some good news. The Suns will continue to look for a point guard. When is a question.

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LeBron James and Luka Doncic are most certainly NOT point guards. This confirms that James Jones doesn't know what he's doing. If anything, this has me very worried that they are counting on Devin Booker to be the starting "point guard" and are just looking for back-up material long term.

 

[Proximo]

If you listened to Jones yesterday, he does not seem to think the team is close to competing right now. He said the team has a lot of holes. It surprised me, but made me feel a little better that they are realistic about where the team is at. But he also emphasized time should cure a lot of our problems, meaning several of young players are going to improve.

If you watch one of Josh Jackson's games in the first month of the year he was literally the worst player in the NBA getting any minutes. The last 2 or 3 games he has literally been the teams best player. That is how fast things can turn around. I think the same kind of leap can easily happen over the summer with Ayton, Bridges and Melton not to mention Jackson still has a lot of room to improve.

I have faith this team is going to be much better next year.