Two year college rule.

[Folster]

Just heard on Xtra Sports 910 that Stern is going to propose a rule making kids stay in college for a minimum of two years. No confirmation from the big sites yet, just some small blogs. It does have to be approved by the NBAPA. This will be great for the college game. I'm guessing if approved, it won't take effect for a couple of years.

What do you guys think?. I like it.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Hate it.

Hate Stern.

Why should LeBron have to play college ball for 2 years, when he was better than 95% of the NBA as a rookie? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[abomb]

Hate it too. After further review, HS to NBA is widely successful and there should be no limit.

If I am an NBA player though, I vote for the 2-year waiting period to protect jobs for older players.

 

[AsUdUdE]

It would be great for both college as well as the pro game...

When entering the NBA, pleayers will be a lot more ready to contribute, and teams will have a better understanding of who they are drafting...

That said its kindof old news because Stern has talked about proposing this rule for the past 6 months, and the rule won't go into effect until I believe the 2010 season when the new CBA is up....

But I am all for it....

 

[abomb]

When entering the NBA, pleayers will be a lot more ready to contribute, and teams will have a better understanding of who they are drafting...

That argument doesnt hold.

Kevin Garnett vs Emeka Okafor
Andrew Bynum vs Sean May
Amare Stoudamire vs Mateen Cleaves
LeBron James vs any three-year Duke player

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That argument doesnt hold.

Kevin Garnett vs Emeka Okafor
Andrew Bynum vs Sean May
Amare Stoudamire vs Mateen Cleaves
LeBron James vs any three-year Duke player

don't forget about your boy Kobe.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Hate it.

Hate Stern.

Why should LeBron have to play college ball for 2 years, when he was better than 95% of the NBA as a rookie? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

And while that is true in his case...

that is NOT true in MANY more others....

Good players in the league like Monta Ellis, Al Harrington, or Josh Smith, if they were made to go to college and say learn under someone like Ben Howland, or Jim Beiheim, the fundamentals, and progress would have been astronomically advanced from where they are even now....

The point is, these players are soo much better than high school competiton, that many never take the time to develop fundamental skills, and other than all-star games which dont count, they often have not played many games against competition even close to them...

In College is a very good transition, not only from a basketball standpoint, but a life stand point as well....

I am all for it, and I think it will help both a hell of a lot more players than it could potentially hurt.....

 

[abomb]

I have the list of modern era, drafted HS to NBA players. Let me post it;

 

[dreamcastrocks]

And while that is true in his case...

that is NOT true in MANY more others....

Good players in the league like Monta Ellis, Al Harrington, or Josh Smith, if they were made to go to college and say learn under someone like Ben Howland, or Jim Beiheim, the fundamentals, and progress would have been astronomically advanced from where they are even now....

The point is, these players are soo much better than high school competiton, that many never take the time to develop fundamental skills, and other than all-star games which dont count, they often have not played many games against competition even close to them...

In College is a very good transition, not only from a basketball standpoint, but a life stand point as well....

I am all for it, and I think it will help both a hell of a lot more players than it could potentially hurt.....

Isn't the job of a scout to determine if these players need college? We shouldn't blame poor scouting on players that have no need or desire to go to college. I honestly think that Amare's growth would have been stunted if he went to college.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Dwight Howard....

 

[abomb]

Year	Pick	Overall	Team	Player	Rating	
1995	5	5	Minnesota Timberwolves		Kevin Garnett	1	
1996	13	13	Charlotte Hornets		Kobe Bryant	1	
1996	17	17	Portland Trail Blazers		Jermaine O'Neal	1	
1997	9	9	Toronto Raptors			Tracy McGrady	1	
1998	25	25	Indiana Pacers			Al Harrington	2	
1998	3	32	Seattle Supersonics		Rashard Lewis	1	
1998	11	40	Detroit Pistons			Korleone Young		Bust - Europe
1999	5	5	Toronto Raptors			Jonathan Bender		Bust - Injuries
1999	29	29	Dallas Mavericks		Leon Smith		Bust - Mental
2000	3	3	Los Angeles Clippers		Darius Miles	3	
2000	23	23	Utah Jazz			DeShawn Stevenson	2	
2001	1	1	Washington Wizards		Kwame Brown	3	
2001	2	2	Los Angeles Clippers		Tyson Chandler	2	
2001	4	4	Chicago Bulls			Eddy Curry	2	
2001	8	8	Cleveland Cavaliers		DeSagana Diop	3	
2002	9	9	Phoenix Suns			Amare Stoudemire	1	
2003	1	1	Cleveland Cavaliers		LeBron James	1	
2003	23	23	Portland Trail Blazers		Travis Outlaw	3	
2003	26	26	Minnesota Timberwolves		Ndudi Ebi		Bust - Europe
2003	27	27	Memphis Grizzlies		Kendrick Perkins	2	
2003	19	48	New Orleans Hornets		James Lang		Bust - Injuries
2004	1	1	Orlando Magic			Dwight Howard	1	
2004	4	4	Los Angeles Clippers		Shaun Livingston	Inc	
2004	12	12	Seattle Supersonics		Robert Swift	Inc	
2004	13	13	Portland Trail Blazers		Sebastian Telfair	Inc	
2004	15	15	Boston Celtics			Al Jefferson	2	
2004	17	17	Atlanta Hawks			Josh Smith	2	
2004	18	18	New Orleans Hornets		J.R. Smith	2	
2004	19	19	Miami Heat			Dorell Wright	3	
2005	6	6	Portland Trail Blazers		Martell Webster	3	
2005	10	10	Los Angeles Lakers		Andrew Bynum	2	
2005	18	18	Boston Celtics			Gerald Green	Inc
2005	4	34	Utah Jazz			C.J. Miles	3
2005	10	40	Golden State Warriors		Monta Ellis	1
2005	15	45	Philadelphia 76ers		Louis Williams	3
2005	26	56	Detroit Pistons			Amir Johnson	3

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Many more hits than misses on that list. We are talking about perrenial all stars on that list.

 

[abomb]

I did this the other day and Donald and I talked about it over beers this weekend.

I tried to rank the players as a 1, 2 or 3. There are a few Incompletes. The busts are noted.

 

[abomb]

Many more hits than misses on that list. We are talking about perrenial all stars on that list.

86% of HS to NBA players drafted since 1995 are STILL IN THE LEAGUE!!!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I did this the other day and Donald and I talked about it over beers this weekend.

I tried to rank the players as a 1, 2 or 3. There are a few Incompletes. The busts are noted.

Screw you for not ranking Amare.

 

[abomb]

Many more hits than misses on that list. We are talking about the games biggest stars on that list.

ftfy

 

[abomb]

Screw you for not ranking Amare.

He has a 1. He was easy.

 

[AsUdUdE]

That argument doesnt hold.

Kevin Garnett vs Emeka Okafor
Andrew Bynum vs Sean May
Amare Stoudamire vs Mateen Cleaves
LeBron James vs any three-year Duke player

Ofcourse, take the superstars as the rule and not the exception

What about

Kwame Brown VS Tim Duncan
Jonathon Bender VS Elton Brand
Dariues Miles VS Paul Pierce
DeShawn Stevenson VS Vince Carter
Eddy Curry VS Steve Nash
Desana Diop VS Ray Allen


And I could go on all day.. and that list doesn't even include those that were HORRIBLE their first 3-4 years in the league and are now decent (ALA Al Harrington, Jermaine O'Neil)....

The bottom line is that for everyone who claims "ohh its not fair to keep them out"... I am a Fire Fighter, I was ready to be one at 18, I could have done the job just as good as the next guy, but I had to get a 4 year College Degree and go the the Fire Academy, even though I was reqady at 18... but you won't hear anyone scream bloody Murder of injustice for me..... Players should have to play 2 years in College if they want to be in the pros, its not an injustice, just like its not against our constutional right if we want to become an architect, that we must have a College Degree, EVEN if we are the best drawers in our class...

Just my opinion....

 

[abomb]

Ofcourse, take the superstars as the rule and not the exception

What about

Kwame Brown VS Tim Duncan
Jonathon Bender VS Elton Brand
Dariues Miles VS Paul Pierce
DeShawn Stevenson VS Vince Carter
Eddy Curry VS Steve Nash
Desana Diop VS Ray Allen


And I could go on all day.. and that list doesn't even include those that were HORRIBLE their first 3-4 years in the league and are now decent (ALA Al Harrington, Jermaine O'Neil)....

The bottom line is that for everyone who claims "ohh its not fair to keep them out"... I am a Fire Fighter, I was ready to be one at 18, I could have done the job just as good as the next guy, but I had to get a 4 year College Degree and go the the Fire Academy, even though I was reqady at 18... but you won't hear anyone scream bloody Murder of injustice for me..... Players should have to play 2 years in College if they want to be in the pros, its not an injustice, just like its not against our constutional right if we want to become an architect, that we must have a College Degree, EVEN if we are the best drawers in our class...

Just my opinion....

I am willing to bet that a full analysis of the 1995 to 2005 drafts would prove that the HS players had a far higher success rate than college or international players.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He has a 1. He was easy.

Ah, I didn't scroll. My bad.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I am willing to bet that a full analysis of the 1995 to 2005 drafts would prove that the HS players had a far higher success rate than college or international players.

I'd wager that too.

 

[abomb]

I dont like the fireman comparison, but I cant formulate a proper response.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Let me ask you a question about your list Abomb...

Of those players, how many would have been better served getting coaching from an elite College Coach such as Jim Beiheim for 2 years, rather than spending their time on the bench.....

And the question has never been how many HS EVENTUALLY work out.. players like Kobe, Amare, Howard... they were going to be superstars anyway....

in their first two years But for players like JO (3.2 PPG in his first 4 years), Al Harrington ( 4 PPG in 11 MPG), Rashard Lewis (5.1 PPG in 13 MPG)... these players would have been better suited being a "star" in College and working on Fundmentals, AND THEN coming to the NBA, instead of being at the end of the bench for 3-4 years, and then starting to get minutes... All three of these guys are In your opinon a 1 or 2, but yet it took them a long while to figure it out... something that College would have all but elminated for them....

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I dont like the fireman comparison, but I cant formulate a proper response.

I don't like it either.

You shouldn't force people to go to college, just to be a pro athlete. Why can tennis players start in their early teens? Should they have to go through 2 years of college too?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Let me ask you a question about your list Abomb...

Of those players, how many would have been better served getting coaching from an elite College Coach such as Jim Beiheim for 2 years, rather than spending their time on the bench.....

And the question has never been how many HS EVENTUALLY work out.. players like Kobe, Amare, Howard... they were going to be superstars anyway....

in their first two years But for players like JO (3.2 PPG in his first 4 years), Al Harrington ( 4 PPG in 11 MPG), Rashard Lewis (5.1 PPG in 13 MPG)... these players would have been better suited being a "star" in College and working on Fundmentals, AND THEN coming to the NBA, instead of being at the end of the bench for 3-4 years, and then starting to get minutes... All three of these guys are In your opinon a 1 or 2, but yet it took them a long while to figure it out... something that College would have all but elminated for them....

Some may have benefitted. I don't think that either of us are debating that. However, some won't benefit, or some might even be stunted in their growth.

Besides, there are just as many good coaches in the NBA, as there are in the college game.