Training camp opens in Flagstaff October 1, 2019

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  1. Ouchie-Z-Clown

    Ouchie-Z-Clown I'm better than Mulli!

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    Absolutely. But instead of giving him the out of relieving him of rim protection duties I’d like to see them develop his considerable physical tools into a dominant center. He’s going into his second year in the league after a single year in college and people seemingly want to give up on him becoming a dominant center? I don’t get that. And I’m one of the most critical posters on this board regarding his center play.
     
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    I am here. Ayton should play center. He has the tools to dominate at that position with his athleticism and versatility. If matchups dictate he and Baynes be on the floor at the same time for stretches, I really am not bothered. Who is to say who is the center in that situation anyway? It’s Baynes that will be shooting threes, not Ayton.

    Just don’t call Ayton a pf. I think I am somewhere between you and Ouchie on this.
     
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    Chaplin Better off silent

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    What is this "center" position you speak of??
     
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    Mainstreet Registered User Contributor

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    Ayton is the Suns center until proven otherwise.

    I want him to primarily develop his inside game before he develops an outside game. His ability to play defense, draw opposing centers outside with his shooting and mobility is what will separate him from other centers.

    I do think BC raised a valid point though.
     
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    The real solution is to just get better forwards to surround a center like Ayton, but work with what you got.
     
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    It's a valid point. I just disagree.
     
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    I don’t see what makes him a better defender as a 4 than a 5. He certainly has more potential as a center defensively, while his size will be disadvantage against some of the quicker forwards.
     
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    Hoop Head Señor Caca Cabeza Contributor

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    I know Ayton looked good guarding Lebron and Giannis this last season but we'll have to see if that who he really is or if that was a one time thing. He showed he was capable of it, to everyone's surprise, but they'll know that he's going to challenge them and keep up with them out on the perimeter going forward. If they can't find a way to beat him then it'll be time in developing him as perimeter defender of sorts but I'm going to need to see him do it again before I'm ready to jump on the PF bandwagon.
     
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    Suns announce their medical and performance team.

    https://www.nba.com/suns/press-release/phoenix-suns-announce-sports-medicine-and-performance-team
     
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    BC867 Long time Phoenician! Contributor

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    'Good post! And that's why we meet here. Divergent opinions from Suns fans.

    We're not coaches but, between us all, we've seen a lot of basketball over
    the years and decades to have more "experience' than casual fans.

    To put it another way, we didn't write the book, but we've read it. :)
     
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    leclerc The smooth operator

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    Magic was a PF and not a PG! :cool:

    I don't know who is making plans for Ayton's future/position but he has a lot of talent both inside with his physique and outside with his soft touch and agility. I am thinking Robinson, Duncan, Dream Shake Hakeem, more than Ewing, Shaq, Eton. If he plays C with a stretch four or PF with a stretch C it's about spacing and putting the ball in his hands more than last year. As long as he doesn't shy away from powering through people and being passive on the glass. I'd rather he gets 10+ rebounds this year than 20+ points actually.
     
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    Yuma Passed my 90 days! Thanks BigRedRage!

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    Oh I could see Ayton developing into a Karl Malone, without the nasty attitude, type PF. Ayton has the outside shot to be a face up PF, no doubt.
     
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    I had actually considered the idea of moving Ayton to pf. So, obviously not a ridiculous notion to me. But after consideration, I do not think it is a good idea. He has the ability to be a prototypical type of "new center" in the NBA. That would include the skils and athleticism of an old-style pf with the size of a center and playing center. Demarcus Cousins, Tim Duncan, and others are the prototypes.
     
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    BC867 Long time Phoenician! Contributor

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    I would suggest that, if so, he not be utilized on offense as he was last season,
    setting high picks, then having to work his way to the basket as the shot clock
    winds down.

    Driving to the basket is not his strong point. Guards can do that.
     
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    Hoop Head Señor Caca Cabeza Contributor

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    That's how bigs play in today's NBA, setting high screens. He doesn't need to drive but he does need to roll to the basket. Thankfully we have Rubio to feed him. I'm sure you saw him miss 2-3 easy opportunities for baskets each game last season because the pass to him was too high, too late, or just intercepted. Rubio's court vision isn't quite on par with Nash's but it's probably the closest to Nash's in the entire league. He is a great playmaker and Ayton will benefit from that more than anyone.

    If Ayton is used similar to how he was last year, only this coming year he'll receive passes at the right time and in the right spot, I could see him averaging 20 ppg on over 60% shooting easily. He shot 58% last season and averaged 16 ppg, so 4 more points and 2% increase in his shooting isn't unrealistic.

    What needs to change in regards to how he was used last year and this coming season is they need to be consistent with feeding him throughout the game. I'm not sure if anyone could look up stats on it but I would wager that Ayton scored 70% or more of his points in the first half of games last year but in the 2nd half no one fed him the same. That needs to change and Ayton also needs to be aggressive in demanding the ball, as well.
     
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