Today’s Rumor (Apr 20)

[HerefortheCards]

I don't understand the appeal of trading back for 12 and 20 in this draft class. 12 is just outside of the optimal top range and 20 is a no man's land IMO.

I don’t understand that mentality. So according to that logic every single 2-7 round pick is just trash.

 

[Harry]

Do you think the love talk is a smokescreen? Would they take him over Bailey if stuck at 3? Hope not

Smoke

 

[Harry]

I don’t understand that mentality. So according to that logic every single 2-7 round pick is just trash.

Not trash but likely almost all role players at best. Weakest draft in years.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I don't understand the appeal of trading back for 12 and 20 in this draft class. 12 is just outside of the optimal top range and 20 is a no man's land IMO.

I'd rather trade with Chiefs (reportedly in play)...move to 9 and pick up their 2nd and probably a 4th. Then you can trade one of the 2s and something else to move into the late 1st for Simpson, if you really want him.

 

[House of Cards]

A trade with KC only for 9 & 29

 

[HerefortheCards]

Not trash but likely almost all role players at best. Weakest draft in years.

Something tells me there will still be a lot of complaints on day 2 and 3 about passing on guys. Lol

 

[kerouac9]

Something tells me there will still be a lot of complaints on day 2 and 3 about passing on guys. Lol

I don’t know. It seems like this board has been quieter around this draft than it has been in my memory. Even @MadCardDisease only did one or two mocks.

I chalk maybe 30% of this up to a zero-rizz draft class and lack of skill position talent. The other 70% general malaise over Monti’s plan unraveling completely yet somehow he still has a job.

 

[some dumb guy]

Something tells me there will still be a lot of complaints on the following MONTHS 2 and 3 about passing on guys. Lol

FTFY....LOL

 

[Russ Smith]

That would be best for the Cardinals if they could trade with the Cowboys. We could get a RT at #12 or even #20. For some reason I don't like Simpson. QBs are usually over hyped and over drafted.

The thing is there's a reason Dallas doesn't think they'll get a good player at 20 too. We have a chance to take an impact guy at 3. If we move down we have to believe that a GM that has struggled to hit on high picks will hit on 2 mid to late middle first round picks. Maybe he does but history says he probably won't. If this were a good deep draft yeah but this isn't

 

[Cardiac]

There will be an edge or DT or safety that will be a good choice at 20.
If Monti takes the OG from Penn state at 12 then add OT to the list of choices at 20.
Also if Monti wants Simpson then 20 would also work.

 

[Stout]

I don’t understand that mentality. So according to that logic every single 2-7 round pick is just trash.

He's talking about this draft. In a given draft, NFL execs say there are only, say, 20 1st-round graded players, for instance. In this draft, that number is much lower. Thus, 12 and 20 are worth less in this draft than in most.

 

[oaken1]

What are you on about? The power 5 is optimized for TV revenue and nothing else.

Honestly, in your two hypotheticals nothing would change for these football schools. The quality of the play would be a little worse but as we see from college basketball every year, the popularity of the sport is only casually related to the quality of the product.

95% of recruiting would remain unchanged; most top recruits will make more from their NIL deals than they’ll make as pros.

Do you think Arch Manning chose Texas because of the polished QB prospects they turn out year after year? Get real.

Yeah okay bright boy...how long is that tv revenue gonna last when the play quality plummets because those schools can't even recruit a one star player??
It will last until the contract ends. That's how ling...and no new contracts will be coming with a crap product.
All those schools will be stuck relying on alumnists and the student body to provide any revenue for their football programs.
Simple economic facts.
Without the hope of getting drafted all those schools cease to be powerhouses...
Be like watching Harvard play Army

 

[slanidrac16]

He's talking about this draft. In a given draft, NFL execs say there are only, say, 20 1st-round graded players, for instance. In this draft, that number is much lower. Thus, 12 and 20 are worth less in this draft than in most.

Totally agree. So if Dallas wants to trade up with us I want their 12th and they can keep their 20th pick. I want their number 1 pick next year.
But even with the 12th who would we take? Great year for wr’s but we’re not doing that.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah okay bright boy...how long is that tv revenue gonna last when the play quality plummets because those schools can't even recruit a one star player??
It will last until the contract ends. That's how ling...and no new contracts will be coming with a crap product.
All those schools will be stuck relying on alumnists and the student body to provide any revenue for their football programs.
Simple economic facts.
Without the hope of getting drafted all those schools cease to be powerhouses...
Be like watching Harvard play Army

My man if the NFL believed that creating an independent development league was cost effective they’d already be doing it.

Like 2% of college players get drafted. No one would notice the difference.

 

[Stout]

Totally agree. So if Dallas wants to trade up with us I want their 12th and they can keep their 20th pick. I want their number 1 pick next year.
But even with the 12th who would we take? Great year for wr’s but we’re not doing that.

I don't want to trade down, but feet to the fire, if we have to, I agree wholeheartedly. Moar 2027 picks are the magic beans I want. I also agree that the draft doesn't suit our biggest needs. We don't need a 1st round WR, like you said. The QB we need isn't there at the top of the draft. We can snag an OT but not at 3. Hopefully our edge, Bailey, will be there at 3. Downs or Love would fill holes.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don’t understand that mentality. So according to that logic every single 2-7 round pick is just trash.

lol...I don't know how you got that from what I said.

In the 2026 draft class, a lot of the players who would warrant a pick at 20 do not really fit needs for the Cardinals or are at less valuable positions. A range where the players the Cardinals should be looking at is more in the early parts of round 2. Those are players who have a universally solid 2nd round grade and would be appropriately taken in the second round.

 

[Chopper0080]

Totally agree. So if Dallas wants to trade up with us I want their 12th and they can keep their 20th pick. I want their number 1 pick next year.
But even with the 12th who would we take? Great year for wr’s but we’re not doing that.

I think this could be the sticking point for a lot of trades. Are teams willing to give up 2027 assets vs 2026 assets?

 

[Chopper0080]

Totally agree. So if Dallas wants to trade up with us I want their 12th and they can keep their 20th pick. I want their number 1 pick next year.
But even with the 12th who would we take? Great year for wr’s but we’re not doing that.

If you could guarantee me...

12 - Vega Ioane - OG
20 - Max Iheanachor - OT
34 - Ty Simpson - QB

I think you could argue the "value" of solidifying the offensive line for the next 4 years and having a QB to develop/play in 2026 even if it still probably doesn't account for much in terms of wins. Basically a match between draft value and having the offense be "complete". The defense would still be a mess though and Rallis likely gets fired.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

If you could guarantee me...

12 - Vega Ioane - OG
20 - Max Iheanachor - OT
34 - Ty Simpson - QB

I think you could argue the "value" of solidifying the offensive line for the next 4 years and having a QB to develop/play in 2026 even if it still probably doesn't account for much in terms of wins. Basically a match between draft value and having the offense be "complete". The defense would still be a mess though and Rallis likely gets fired.

Would be thrilled with this

 

[Chopper0080]

Would be thrilled with this

Best case "likely" outcome is an interesting convo. Ultimately, how confident are you that it can happen?

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Best case "likely" outcome is an interesting convo. Ultimately, how confident are you that it can happen?

Well I think the most likely pick is Simpson….did Monti bring in the Penn state guard to the facility? Was he a top 30? I could see proctor at 12

 

[MadCardDisease]

If you could guarantee me...

12 - Vega Ioane - OG
20 - Max Iheanachor - OT
34 - Ty Simpson - QB

I think you could argue the "value" of solidifying the offensive line for the next 4 years and having a QB to develop/play in 2026 even if it still probably doesn't account for much in terms of wins. Basically a match between draft value and having the offense be "complete". The defense would still be a mess though and Rallis likely gets fired.

I don't like the value there for an IOL at 12 overall. I'd much rather go:

12 - Spencer Fano - RT
20 - Emmanuel Pregnon - LG
34 - Jacob Rodriguez - LB

Here the Cards get an athletic RT and LG who fit MLF offense near perfectly. They also get a LB who is smart and generates turnovers that would fit perfectly next to Mack Wilson. Then the Cardinals could grab their next best QB prospect with the early 3rd rounder.

 

[Stout]

Well I think the most likely pick is Simpson….did Monti bring in the Penn state guard to the facility? Was he a top 30? I could see proctor at 12

I don't think we'll take Proctor because he is on record as only wanting to play LT and PJJ isn't moving to the right.

 

[BritCard]

If we could pick up 12 and 20 and use them on Vega Ioane and Lomu/Miller that would be a great draft.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't like the value there for an IOL at 12 overall. I'd much rather go:

12 - Spencer Fano - RT
20 - Emmanuel Pregnon - LG
34 - Jacob Rodriguez - LB

Here the Cards get an athletic RT and LG who fit MLF offense near perfectly. They also get a LB who is smart and generates turnovers that would fit perfectly next to Mack Wilson. Then the Cardinals could grab their next best QB prospect with the early 3rd rounder.

A lot of that depends on how you view Fano.