Three ring Jake

[Lex]

I'm a Cardinal fan 100%. That's why I was pissed when the local media convinced my fellow Cardinal fans that it was Jake Plummers fault that we were losing. I took a lot of crap from my fellow Cardinal fans for that stance.

But please, it's time to call a spade a spade.

I think Jake wins three Super Bowl rings in Denver. All three of Denvers games so far, have been over in the first half. They are clearly the class team of the entire NFL. Portis, Lelie, and Plummer aren't even in thier prime yet. Shanny just signed a new contract, and Denver has a brand new facility. Jake will still be leading the Broncos in 2008, when the Super Bowl is played in our new stadium...but unless the Cardinals are in that Super Bowl too, I'll sell my tickets.

 

[CardinalChris]

Can you tell me Jake is any better than Blake and worth 49 million? There's no way. He's in a much better environment. Did i think it was Jake's fault? No. But I think it was time for AZ and Jake to part ways and let somebody else overpay him.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Isn't this a little premature Lex?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Let Jake actually play against a really good team, and beat them like that before you crown him 3-time Super Bowl Champ.

The throws he made last night, I could've made. Jake also wasn't even touched at all.

 

[Jttsaz]

Jake is a good qb on a great team! Jake is a playmaker and always has been..he does tend to be streaky and can follow a brilliant performance with a miserable one...the difference is that Denver is such a good team that they can withstand some of his errors...unlike the Cards which were nowhere near as good. Can you honestly say that the Bears would be 3-0 now if Jake has gone to Chicago?

I do think Jake will excel in Denver but honestly Jeff Blake is a much better fit for the Cards at this stage of the game...what with all our youth and inexperience at WR..Blake also spreads the ball around which helps us compensate for our lack of experience at WR.

 

[CardinalChris]

Doesn't Denver always win their first 8 games before dropping their last 8????

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Isn't this a little premature Lex?

I'm starting to think lex has some sort of power first his Boston wasn't really hurt claim looks less and less crazy and now Jake looks like an NFL QB.

Denver's problem is a lot of their core players are either old (Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, the OL) or due for bigger contracts (Gold, Wilson and Portis).

This year is probably their best chance at a Superbowl and even big Denver fans concede it's asking a lot for Jake to play this week all year so they can win this year.

KC has scored more points than Denver and played a tougher schedule, but Denver has been winning games in the first half and then coasting, Portis has only played 1 full game.

That game will be a really fun game to watch I sure hope it's not on against us.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
I'm starting to think lex has some sort of power first his Boston wasn't really hurt claim looks less and less crazy and now Jake looks like an NFL QB.

Denver's problem is a lot of their core players are either old (Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, the OL) or due for bigger contracts (Gold, Wilson and Portis).

This year is probably their best chance at a Superbowl and even big Denver fans concede it's asking a lot for Jake to play this week all year so they can win this year.

KC has scored more points than Denver and played a tougher schedule, but Denver has been winning games in the first half and then coasting, Portis has only played 1 full game.

That game will be a really fun game to watch I sure hope it's not on against us.

I'll still have to disagree about Boston.

Boston's problem is that he is always hurt. And I seriously doubt that we would be any better off with Jake the fake.

What I saw for six years, I can't shake, and I still believe that we've just seen Plummer's best performance of his career, and he won't play like that every week. Plummer has to prove it to me, just like he had to prove to me that he sucked here.

 

[Assface]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I'll still have to disagree about Boston.

Boston's problem is that he is always hurt. And I seriously doubt that we would be any better off with Jake the fake.

What I saw for six years, I can't shake, and I still believe that we've just seen Plummer's best performance of his career, and he won't play like that every week. Plummer has to prove it to me, just like he had to prove to me that he sucked here.

Jake will have more performances like this just as he will have more 0 td/3 int games. He's capable of having just as good of a game as any QB in the league but he's not consistant enough to be reliable for a whole season. I have been a huge Plummer fan since his ASU days but I'm glad he's gone. Even if he does good in Denver I honestly believe we're better of with Blake.

 

[Lex]

Krang- Jake didn't suck here, we sucked. He was the best thing we had, we were lucky to have him.

Look at Rob Moore, Boston, Sanders, Jenkins, Pittman, and Jones. How good are those players? What have they done since they left here?

David Boston, and Thomas Jones killed us.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Lex
Krang- Jake didn't suck here, we sucked. He was the best thing we had, we were lucky to have him.

Look at Rob Moore, Boston, Sanders, Jenkins, Pittman, and Jones. How good are those players? What have they done since they left here?

David Boston, and Thomas Jones killed us.

I am sorry Lex, but I don't quite agree.

I think we sucked AND Plummer sucked. At least Moore and Boston made a Pro Bowl each as a Cardinal, and Jenkins was the leagues leading kick returner. Jake? Threw interceptions at a prolific rate, and struggled to make ordinary plays.

 

[Assface]

You could blame Jake's lack of overall success on a lack of talent around him, but you can't blame his many many interceptions and bad decisions on that.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Floridacard
You could blame Jake's lack of overall success on a lack of talent around him, but you can't blame his many many interceptions and bad decisions on that.

Exactly. Jake supporters don't want him to take any blame for his mistakes, and frankly that is mindboggling, considering the fact that they are now giving him all of Denver's success (and of course convienently forgetting his paltry 20 QB rating in the season opener).

 

[Lex]

I guess you must determine if a quarterback threw an interception, or if a receiver failed to catch the pass. I blamed a lot of our interceptions on the fact that Jake was trying to win games. He's always been a gamer, a winner in my book.

Did Moore and Boston make the pro bowl, or did Jake make Moore and Boston pro bowlers? IMO, Rob Moore broke down, and David Boston is a loser.

It's like last night. Jake had 7 incomplete passes. It looked to me like all of them were thrown away, because there was no one open. Jake also out rushed Clinton Portis last night, with 5 runs. Those could also have been incomplete passes.

Mike Jurecki, the number 1 reason Jake is no longer here, was spouting off this morning about how teams that rush the ball 30 times a game are winning all the time, and Denver ran the ball 31 times last night. But anyone that watched the game could tell you that the reason they ran the ball 31 times, is because the game was over in the first quarter due to the passing game, and Denvers third string running back mopped it up. Stats are deceiving when misinterpreted.

 

[CT Card Fan]

Originally posted by Lex
Krang- Jake didn't suck here, we sucked. He was the best thing we had, we were lucky to have him.

Look at Rob Moore, Boston, Sanders, Jenkins, Pittman, and Jones. How good are those players? What have they done since they left here?

David Boston, and Thomas Jones killed us.

Moore had a devastating injury. Boston, well,.....yeah. Sanders is well past his prime now and was while he was still here still. Jenkins, yes, not really good. Pittman and Jones, we'll see.

Jake may do better than I expected in Denver, but 3 Super Bowls is a bit extreme at this point. That would be like saying that Quan is a lock for the Hall of Fame (we all know he is of course, sorry to even question it). But, to judge that much on 3 games.....

If teams find a way to contain Portis a little, then Jake can prove to us one way or the other. But, no one has tried, or been able to stop Portis yet. If that happens and Jake still performs like that, then I'll be impressed.


The bottom line is that Jake is not good enough to carry a team without a strong cast around him (like a Favre or Elway) and that's the kind of money he was getting paid here. Somehow, I don't see Quan being Quan if Jake were still here.

 

[CT Card Fan]

Originally posted by Lex
I guess you must determine if a quarterback threw an interception, or if a receiver failed to catch the pass. I blamed a lot of our interceptions on the fact that Jake was trying to win games. He's always been a gamer, a winner in my book.

Did Moore and Boston make the pro bowl, or did Jake make Moore and Boston pro bowlers? IMO, Rob Moore broke down, and David Boston is a loser.

It's like last night. Jake had 7 incomplete passes. It looked to me like all of them were thrown away, because there was no one open. Jake also out rushed Clinton Portis last night, with 5 runs. Those could also have been incomplete passes.

Mike Jurecki, the number 1 reason Jake is no longer here, was spouting off this morning about how teams that rush the ball 30 times a game are winning all the time, and Denver ran the ball 31 times last night. But anyone that watched the game could tell you that the reason they ran the ball 31 times, is because the game was over in the first quarter due to the passing game, and Denvers third string running back mopped it up. Stats are deceiving when misinterpreted.

I think it was AjCardfan that put it best in another thread. The Broncos went with 6 straight runs with Portis and then a rollout pass. After that, they used play action and the Raiders were forced to bite. Seems like they used the run to set up the pass, not that the passign game carried them. Their early scores were all on passes, but that was all set up by the run.

 

[Brighteyes]

Jake can play great, and I wish him the best. Nice guy, real sweetheart, and with some great talent.

However, his failures in Arizona are not all due to someone else. He lacks maturity and wisdom. He still plays like a guy in his first or second year.

He could be a great fit with the Broncos and Shanahan; he wasn't here. Cast the blame as you wish, but in truth it's teams, not individuals, who win games. He didn't mesh on our team.

Blake does. Geeze - already Blake has a real rappour with all our rookie receivers -- and knows just where to find Freddie Jones. Jake could never remember his number.

ESPN reported last night that Shanahan's gone back to simplifying the play book, with a lot of easy screens where Jake only has to look to one man. If he's not open, Jake can toss it away.

And the comment was made - simplifying your whole offense for a 7th year, $40 million QB, seems slightly ... odd.

It's okay, guys. We can root for Jake, or not, and still be glad he's somewhere else.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Brighteyes


And the comment was made - simplifying your whole offense for a 7th year, $40 million QB, seems slightly ... odd.

It's okay, guys. We can root for Jake, or not, and still be glad he's somewhere else.

It doesn't seem odd to any of us Cards fans.

Denver can have Jake, and I will be happier, and Cards fans as a whole will be happier. Blake has already looked better than Plummer ever did.

 

[Lex]

First is was Terrell Davis, then Anderson, now Portis, it's the line that made these running backs, always has been.

Portis ran the ball 43 yards last night. Fourty three yards. While he was running 43 yards, the Broncos scored 24 points. Fourty three yards.

I have no quarrel with Jeff Blake. He is mature, but not a long term solution. I'm afraid he won't be able to finish the season, Jake was, and is very durable.

Freddie Jones caught more balls from Plummer last year than any other receiver on our team. Jake couldn't find him? That's bull.

Simplifying the offense because Jake is too dumb to figure it out is another pile of bull. It's widely known that Shanahan's offense is the most complicated in the NFL. Jake has been there for three months now? And he's 3-0, averaging over 32 points a game. When he's had a chance to learn the offense, what, will they average 60 a game?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Originally posted by Lex
First is was Terrell Davis, then Anderson, now Portis, it's the line that made these running backs, always has been.

Portis ran the ball 43 yards last night. Fourty three yards. While he was running 43 yards, the Broncos scored 24 points. Fourty three yards.

I have no quarrel with Jeff Blake. He is mature, but not a long term solution. I'm afraid he won't be able to finish the season, Jake was, and is very durable.

Freddie Jones caught more balls from Plummer last year than any other receiver on our team. Jake couldn't find him? That's bull.

Simplifying the offense because Jake is too dumb to figure it out is another pile of bull. It's widely known that Shanahan's offense is the most complicated in the NFL. Jake has been there for three months now? And he's 3-0, averaging over 32 points a game. When he's had a chance to learn the offense, what, will they average 60 a game?

Yeah but 42 of those yards came on his first drive.He would have rushed for about 150 if he didn't pop a rib.I could care less about how Jake does but if you think POrtis is not the main thing that makes that offense go then you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Lex
Krang- Jake didn't suck here, we sucked. He was the best thing we had, we were lucky to have him.

Look at Rob Moore, Boston, Sanders, Jenkins, Pittman, and Jones. How good are those players? What have they done since they left here?

David Boston, and Thomas Jones killed us.

Same with Larry Wilson he's done nothing since he turned 50!

Moore was shot when he left here because of the knee, Boston looks like he's going to be injured for life. Sanders is washed up. Pittman and Jones are the same guys they were here and Martay priced himself out of a job. Jake didn't make any of those guys look better than they are.

My complaint all along has been instead of trying to resurrect Plummer on a big contract, Shanahan should have signed Delhomme, or traded for Leftwich. Delhomme is not a great arm kind of guy but he's accurate, plays within himself and he can move around. he could do everything Plummer does, at a fraction of the cost, AND you won't be afraid to let him air it out when it's necessary. EVen the biggest Bronco fans on the Freak board are saying I just hope we can do this consistently because Jake still scares me when he doesn't have wide open players. The "bad" Jake is still there.

Did you see his reaction on that last bootleg where Trace armstrong read it, run straight back 20 yards and then chuck the ball towards the sideline. you could read Shanahan's lips he said "what the hell was that? Throw it away or take the sack don't go backwards."

That I think is the difference, Shanahan apparently has enough rep that Jake is listening to him, maybe it took us letting him go, maybe Jake just never respected Tobin, Mac and Trestman and Olson, I don't know. But now when Jake screws up he has someone in his face and he appears to be listening to that someone.

I think Blake is the perfect fit for this team, and I think if Blake were Denver's QB he'd probably lead the NFL in passing yards.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Lex
First is was Terrell Davis, then Anderson, now Portis, it's the line that made these running backs, always has been.

Portis ran the ball 43 yards last night. Fourty three yards. While he was running 43 yards, the Broncos scored 24 points. Fourty three yards.

I have no quarrel with Jeff Blake. He is mature, but not a long term solution. I'm afraid he won't be able to finish the season, Jake was, and is very durable.

Freddie Jones caught more balls from Plummer last year than any other receiver on our team. Jake couldn't find him? That's bull.

Simplifying the offense because Jake is too dumb to figure it out is another pile of bull. It's widely known that Shanahan's offense is the most complicated in the NFL. Jake has been there for three months now? And he's 3-0, averaging over 32 points a game. When he's had a chance to learn the offense, what, will they average 60 a game?

Freddie Jones is a receiver easily capable of catching 60-70 passes a season. 44 is subpar for him, and 1 touchdown is even more subpar.

And is well documented that Jake has had to have the offense simplified for him here. Both Trestman and Olson have had to, and is it a stretch to believe that Shanahan would have to as well?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Russ Smith

I think Blake is the perfect fit for this team, and I think if Blake were Denver's QB he'd probably lead the NFL in passing yards.

I totally agree. From the first 3 games, it is obvious to me that Blake could actually do better with a better offense around him.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Since no one else has said it, nice post, Bright eyes!

I think it is a little premature to start predicting Super Bowl wins for Jake with Denver. I agree he looks pretty good from what I've seen (I'm not going to sit here and pretend I've seen every Denver play), but we're just in the beginning of the season. Three games does not a hall of famer quarterback make.

Whether Jake wins 50 Super Bowls or falls flat on his face every year from here on out doesn't really matter. The Cards were going nowhere with Jake and Jake was going nowhere for the Cards. Sometimes all one needs is a change of scenary. Here's hoping that it works out the best for both sides.

Now can we stop talking about him already?

 

[Lex]

Cbus- first drive:

7 plays- Portis 5 for 34 yds. / 2 passes for 26.

2nd drive: 6 plays- Anderson 1 for 2 yds. / 4 passes for 53 yds.

3rd drive: 4 plays- Portis 1 for 6 yds. / 2 passes for 43 yds.

21 points, Portis 6 rushes for 40 yards. Game over.