The Walking Dead (AMC)

[Stout]

My favorite of his will always be as Papa Winchester in Supernatural--that's the type of good guy he is great at. This over-the-top bad guy stuff is annoying.

Absolutely. He was gold in that show, and it was too bad we couldn't have had more of him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

They’re talking about this season finale being the end of an eight year era and a lead in to a major reboot of the show.

I want them to kill Rick. That would be AWESOME. Total game changer. But there’s no way they do it.

 

[Chaplin]

They’re talking about this season finale being the end of an eight year era and a lead in to a major reboot of the show.

I want them to kill Rick. That would be AWESOME. Total game changer. But there’s no way they do it.

Who is saying that?

With the way this show has gone over the years, I'm surprised they have that much foresight and the cajones to actually do that (reboot the series, not kill off Rick).

 

[Cheesebeef]

Who is saying that?

With the way this show has gone over the years, I'm surprised they have that much foresight and the cajones to actually do that (reboot the series, not kill off Rick).

https://uproxx.com/hitfix/walking-dead-season-8-series-finale/

 

[BigRedRage]

Who is saying that?

With the way this show has gone over the years, I'm surprised they have that much foresight and the cajones to actually do that (reboot the series, not kill off Rick).

The showrunner is saying it because after negan, it seems the world will expand even more.



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[BigRedRage]

They’re talking about this season finale being the end of an eight year era and a lead in to a major reboot of the show.

I want them to kill Rick. That would be AWESOME. Total game changer. But there’s no way they do it.

Might as well just start a spin-off rather than kill Rick imo

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[Cheesebeef]

Might as well just start a spin-off rather than kill Rick imo

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why? what more story is there left do with rick? he beats another group of bad humans, finds a new location, takes it over and... squares off against a new bad group of humans?

 

[BigRedRage]

why? what more story is there left do with rick? he beats another group of bad humans, finds a new location, takes it over and... squares off against a new bad group of humans?

Do you prefer that they just put a different face in front of the story? That's all killing Rick would do. He's still the unequivocal leader of the group and has plenty value moving forward in any situation. It's a shame Carl is gone as he was going to be a true successor beneath Rick.

Either way, I don't see how killing Rick would improve anything, it'd just be a cheap thrill of killing off a major character. I don't really see anyone else being able to be the head. Maggie has chops but isn't as relatable as Rick. Carol is too bipolar along with Morgan. Daryl is nothing more than a bit role character at this point. Michonne was great as a cold, hard ninja. I don't think she can really revert to that nor would it be a leadership role. So... Tara? Lol. Rosita? Georgie?

Rick is still the soul of the group



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[Western Font]

Interesting idea. I think they are actually at a point where they could (I don’t know the comics and avoid the spoilers, so I say this independently of that). Maggie is at a point where she could take over as the series lead.

Maybe it’s because I enjoyed FTWD season 3 so much, but a TWD reboot that leads to a larger world where the series meet (starting with Morgan I suppose) would be cool. It would certainly set a target for the audience.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Do you prefer that they just put a different face in front of the story? That's all killing Rick would do.

Lol.. are you serious? It would open up the entire show. A battle for power within the main characters is an entire season's worth of material. Who's way wins out and why? It actually gives the show stakes if you friends become foes. As opposed to just... Rick against foes. That's all KEEPING Rick does.

He's still the unequivocal leader of the group and has plenty value moving forward in any situation.

Yeah... he's got the power to continually put his group in one awful situation after another only to get out of it by mind-numbingly stupid circumstances... or a commercial break which ignores the peril he put everyone in.

It's a shame Carl is gone as he was going to be a true successor beneath Rick.

Awful schizofrenic character who blew whichever way the plot dictated him.

Either way, I don't see how killing Rick would improve anything, it'd just be a cheap thrill of killing off a major character.

Oh... right. Like when GOT killed Ned Stark. Or the Red Wedding happened.

Oh wait... no those were show defining moments that swung old narratives into new directions instead of just beating one narrative like a dead horse... or corpse in this show's case.

I don't really see anyone else being able to be the head. Maggie has chops but isn't as relatable as Rick. Carol is too bipolar along with Morgan. Daryl is nothing more than a bit role character at this point. Michonne was great as a cold, hard ninja. I don't think she can really revert to that nor would it be a leadership role. So... Tara? Lol. Rosita? Georgie?

Rick is still the soul of the group

The guy who promised all those Saviors that he if they freed him and morgan he'd take them back with them... then when they did free him, killed them in cold blood? Rick has no soul... and a letter from Karl that somehow took eight episodes for him to read simply because he couldn't turn "good" again until the season finale because they would have run out of story immediately... doesn't change that.

And Maggie absolutely could turn into that leader and so could Michonne. Why are those two not relatable? Both are a) better actors b) actually have moral authority that Rick lost eons ago at this point.

 

[Chaplin]

Why not fast forward 15 years and make Judith the new main character? With an older Maggie/Michonne as backup? Maybe Maggie and Glenn's kid could be the 2nd main character.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why not fast forward 15 years and make Judith the new main character? With an older Maggie/Michonne as backup? Maybe Maggie and Glenn's kid could be the 2nd main character.

Anything would be better than Rick go find new place... rick find bad men... Rick lose to bad men... Rick beat bad men but new place bad now... so Rick go find new place... wash, rinse and repeat.

 

[Covert Rain]

Absolutely. He was gold in that show, and it was too bad we couldn't have had more of him.

He was absolutely gold on that show and I liked him in The Watchmen. I am completely convinced that something happened behind the scenes between show runners and him.

He has expressed for years he wanted to come back to Supernatural and that he felt like his character had unfinished business. He has said that publicly multiple times and yet they have not invited him back. Fans have called for him to comeback too and instead they have used the cheap young John Winchester path.

Something must have happened.

 

[NJCardFan]

I feel the need to clarify the zombie guts thing. When they cover themselves in zombie guts for deception, it's usually over a couple of layers of clothes. Never on skin. When the Saviors soaked their weapons in zombie guts and then used them in a rudimentary biological weapon, even dried diseased blood can be lethal especially when injected into someone with an arrow or knife. There are real diseases, like Hep C, that are active outside the body for 2 weeks even if in dried blood. Now the splattering of zombie blood and guts otherwise is a valid argument.

 

[Western Font]

It can only make sense for it to be solely blood-borne. In FTWD when Nick is at Luciana’s compound they slather themselves every time they leave (and he routinely did so in the wild).

Even then it stretches believability - not that the whole show doesn’t, but vectors of transmission are some of those technicalities a show should have locked down.

 

[oaken1]

Lol.. are you serious? It would open up the entire show. A battle for power within the main characters is an entire season's worth of material. Who's way wins out and why? It actually gives the show stakes if you friends become foes. As opposed to just... Rick against foes. That's all KEEPING Rick does.



Yeah... he's got the power to continually put his group in one awful situation after another only to get out of it by mind-numbingly stupid circumstances... or a commercial break which ignores the peril he put everyone in.



Awful schizofrenic character who blew whichever way the plot dictated him.



Oh... right. Like when GOT killed Ned Stark. Or the Red Wedding happened.

Oh wait... no those were show defining moments that swung old narratives into new directions instead of just beating one narrative like a dead horse... or corpse in this show's case.



The guy who promised all those Saviors that he if they freed him and morgan he'd take them back with them... then when they did free him, killed them in cold blood? Rick has no soul... and a letter from Karl that somehow took eight episodes for him to read simply because he couldn't turn "good" again until the season finale because they would have run out of story immediately... doesn't change that.

And Maggie absolutely could turn into that leader and so could Michonne. Why are those two not relatable? Both are a) better actors b) actually have moral authority that Rick lost eons ago at this point.

The group needs an objective. Not just lets settle down and be alive,...zombie shows are always better when the group is moving.

It might take them away from the comics... but traveling cross country would open up unlimited story lines.

Maybe a small military group shows up. Says they are travelling the country to let people know that a cure has been found and there is safe haven. The government has been restored and the entire city of Reno, NV has been cleared and walled...they just have to get there to be safe.
It would take a few seasons to travel.. when they get there of course there has to be a season of blending in, feeling safe, being assigned to various work crews... then there are the possibilities of varying leadership ideas, competing factions within Reno... then the huge zombie horde coming over the mountain that nobody saw coming... then in flight again, and with all that wide open desert there is no place to hide...

of course... nothing changes the fact that once the initial shock is passed a slightly organized military force should be able to end the zombie threat when you are dealing with Romero zombies

 

[Chaplin]

The group needs an objective. Not just lets settle down and be alive,...zombie shows are always better when the group is moving.

It might take them away from the comics... but traveling cross country would open up unlimited story lines.

Maybe a small military group shows up. Says they are travelling the country to let people know that a cure has been found and there is safe haven. The government has been restored and the entire city of Reno, NV has been cleared and walled...they just have to get there to be safe.
It would take a few seasons to travel.. when they get there of course there has to be a season of blending in, feeling safe, being assigned to various work crews... then there are the possibilities of varying leadership ideas, competing factions within Reno... then the huge zombie horde coming over the mountain that nobody saw coming... then in flight again, and with all that wide open desert there is no place to hide...

of course... nothing changes the fact that once the initial shock is passed a slightly organized military force should be able to end the zombie threat when you are dealing with Romero zombies

Well, there IS a helicopter out there.

 

[Cheesebeef]

He was absolutely gold on that show and I liked him in The Watchmen. I am completely convinced that something happened behind the scenes between show runners and him.

He has expressed for years he wanted to come back to Supernatural and that he felt like his character had unfinished business. He has said that publicly multiple times and yet they have not invited him back. Fans have called for him to comeback too and instead they have used the cheap young John Winchester path.

Something must have happened.

there's usually a very simple reason that explains why a really well-liked character on a show doesn't come back...

 

[Western Font]

Re: the plot and Rick: It's true, once you get beyond the good garrison vs. bad garrison dynamic, the plot could open up exponentially. Given the number of survivors we've seen in the two regions of the two shows alone - and how capable they've become - there are probably survivors scattered throughout the hospitable climates (remember that the cosmonaut in FTWD confirmed that the pandemic was global). Barring another pandemic, or a nuclear holocaust, you could project that the zombies will decline as a threat (and the major zombie threat will be to people in the immediate area when someone turns after death.

Then in a way, it's a race between larger groups and new or old nations to recover technology and control resources. Plus the revival of historical grudges.

 

[BigRedRage]

so stoked to watch this in theaters tonight.

 

[Linderbee]

so stoked to watch this in theaters tonight.

In theaters?

 

[BigRedRage]

In theaters?

They are doing the finale of TWD and premiere of fear in theaters tonight. I have reserved recliners at Mesa Riverview [emoji41]

At Tempe marketplace they have it too without reserved seats

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[BigRedRage]

In theaters?

http://variety.com/2018/tv/news/the-walking-dead-fear-the-walking-dead-theater-screening-1202728638/
My daughter is at home binging the season in preparation

 

[Chaplin]

This is set up to be a pretty disappointing season finale. Outside of killing off Negan, which I don't think they're going to do, what other stakes are there? They had their big death this season already, so probably not that. I'm preparing to be underwhelmed. Hope to be surprised.

I don't watch FTWD.

 

[BigRedRage]

This is set up to be a pretty disappointing season finale. Outside of killing off Negan, which I don't think they're going to do, what other stakes are there? They had their big death this season already, so probably not that. I'm preparing to be underwhelmed. Hope to be surprised.

I don't watch FTWD.

FTWD IMO wasn't very great until season 3 (and that's probably generous). Season 3 though I thought was stellar.