The Suns' search for a New Coach Thread

Finito

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Posts
21,060
Reaction score
13,827
TNT crew having a really good discussion about coaching
 

GatorAZ

feed hopkins
Joined
Oct 17, 2011
Posts
25,384
Reaction score
18,227
Location
The Giant Toaster
Vogel got fired because the timing of the Westbrook debacle but he won a title in the bubble. In 2013 the Pacers were one win from the Finals vs the 66-16 Miami Heat with peak Lebron. He can coach.
 

Proximo

ASFN Icon
Joined
Mar 8, 2015
Posts
12,665
Reaction score
10,535
Not excited about what is left but I would take Vogel over Young.
I understand people not being excited by young, but for all we know he was making a ton of suggestions that Monty was vetoing.

I really don’t think it’s fair to judge him Based on his time here as an assistant. Also if Book wants him he probably impressed him somehow. I don’t think book wants a pushover coach, that’s not his personality.
 

Finito

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Posts
21,060
Reaction score
13,827
Vogel got fired because the timing of the Westbrook debacle but he won a title in the bubble. In 2013 the Pacers were one win from the Finals vs the 66-16 Miami Heat with peak Lebron. He can coach.

I agree he was the fall guy for GM Lebron screwing that roster over

I’d be happy with him
 

JerkFace

(Formerly offset) i have a special purpose
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
3,746
Reaction score
2,336
Location
Surprise
xc_hide_links_from_guests_guests_error_hide_media


Just ran across this and thought it was interesting that Gambo said a couple of days ago that he didn’t expect a Suns hire by Memorial Day.
 

Covert Rain

Father smelt of elderberries!
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2005
Posts
36,349
Reaction score
15,355
Location
Arizona
I understand people not being excited by young, but for all we know he was making a ton of suggestions that Monty was vetoing.

I really don’t think it’s fair to judge him Based on his time here as an assistant. Also if Book wants him he probably impressed him somehow. I don’t think book wants a pushover coach, that’s not his personality.
I am not saying this is not true but you take the chance he was part of the problem. If he was, you just saddled this team with more of the same problem for the next several years and likely during this window. This team needs fresh blood.
 

Yuma

Suns are my Kryptonite!
Joined
Jan 3, 2003
Posts
22,463
Reaction score
12,299
Location
Laveen, AZ
The Phoenix Suns have narrowed their head-coaching search to Doc Rivers, Frank Vogel and Kevin Young as they prepare to fill the vacancy left by the firing of Monty Williams, according to Arizona Sports’ John Gambadoro.
 

Yuma

Suns are my Kryptonite!
Joined
Jan 3, 2003
Posts
22,463
Reaction score
12,299
Location
Laveen, AZ
The only "knock" I have on Kevin Young, is when Willie Green left, you could see the drop off of the Suns. Hypothetically, Kevin Young should have raised the bar for us, and we wouldn't have noticed a drop off.
 

Finito

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Posts
21,060
Reaction score
13,827
The only "knock" I have on Kevin Young, is when Willie Green left, you could see the drop off of the Suns. Hypothetically, Kevin Young should have raised the bar for us, and we wouldn't have noticed a drop off.

Yeah that’s a good point
 

BirdGangThing

Cultist
Joined
Dec 27, 2019
Posts
15,200
Reaction score
20,978
Location
Arcadia
Nobody wants Kevin Young, I don't think he's even interviewed anywhere else. We can't go from Monty Williams to Kevin Young

And don't you dare bring Doc Rivers to this franchise

So I guess I'm leaning Vogel

We're going to have offense, Book and KD should make sure of that. Granted, we can definitely use some more offensive pieces, particularly on the bench, but Vogel would bring defense and defense is what wins championships
 

AzStevenCal

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Apr 2, 2004
Posts
36,741
Reaction score
16,480
I am not saying this is not true but you take the chance he was part of the problem. If he was, you just saddled this team with more of the same problem for the next several years and likely during this window. This team needs fresh blood.
We have no idea if he can be effective as a Head Coach so I could see passing on him but I wouldn't be at all concerned that he was "part of the problem".
 

Finito

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Posts
21,060
Reaction score
13,827
“Phoenix has there coach there going with Kevin Young”- Bill Simmons right now
 

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
117,024
Reaction score
57,145
If we only knew what caused the Suns collapse against the Mavericks in the playoffs.

The Suns did well to win two games against the Nuggets in the playoffs, especially with Paul and Ayton going down.

They didn't even have five solid starters much less a reliable bench.
 

Finito

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Posts
21,060
Reaction score
13,827
If we only knew what caused the Suns collapse against the Mavericks in the playoffs.

The Suns did well to win two games against the Nuggets in the playoffs, especially with Paul and Ayton going down.

They didn't even have five solid starters much less a reliable bench.

Don’t forget losing 4 in a row to the Bucks
 

Covert Rain

Father smelt of elderberries!
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2005
Posts
36,349
Reaction score
15,355
Location
Arizona
We have no idea if he can be effective as a Head Coach so I could see passing on him but I wouldn't be at all concerned that he was "part of the problem".
I see it this way. There is a 50/50 shot he was part of the problem IMO. Someone outside? No chance. It's that simple for me.
 

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
117,024
Reaction score
57,145
Don’t forget losing 4 in a row to the Bucks

I think the Bucks were the better team so it's easier to swallow. The referees let Giannis do anything he wanted.

They were so much bigger and all the Suns had was Ayton in the middle.
 

Finito

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 23, 2005
Posts
21,060
Reaction score
13,827
I think the Bucks were the better team so it's easier to swallow. The referees let Giannis do anything he wanted.

They were so much bigger, and all the Suns had was Ayton in the middle.

Giannis wasn’t why they won it was Middleton and Holiday who came alive and we couldn’t stop.

Once they changed in game 3 we made no adjustments at all. Holiday picking up Paul full court was the end of Paul in that series.

I don’t think they were better at all. We had the best record in the NBA
 

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
117,024
Reaction score
57,145
Giannis wasn’t why they won it was Middleton and Holiday who came alive and we couldn’t stop.

Once they changed in game 3 we made no adjustments at all. Holiday picking up Paul full court was the end of Paul in that series.

I don’t think they were better at all. We had the best record in the NBA

The Bucks had more size and depth upfront. Their ability to score inside opened up their entire perimeter game.

Obviously, Middleton and Holiday were huge as well.
 

Covert Rain

Father smelt of elderberries!
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 27, 2005
Posts
36,349
Reaction score
15,355
Location
Arizona
I think the Bucks were the better team so it's easier to swallow. The referees let Giannis do anything he wanted.

They were so much bigger and all the Suns had was Ayton in the middle.
Losing 4 in a row after being 2 wins away from a title is never easy to swallow. Couple that with guys who just didn't show up after the first two games is even worse. Bridges and Booker in Game 3. Bridges, Ayton and Paul in Game 4. The defensive collapse in Game 5. Disappearance of Bridges, Ayton and Booker in Game 6.

It wasn't as simple as the Bucks being better. We had guys doing Houdini throughout that series after the first 2 games that goes way beyond how the Bucks were playing.
 

Mainstreet

Cruisin' Mainstreet
Supporting Member
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Posts
117,024
Reaction score
57,145
Losing 4 in a row after being 2 wins away from a title is never easy to swallow. Couple that with guys who just didn't show up after the first two games is even worse. Bridges and Booker in Game 3. Bridges, Ayton and Paul in Game 4. The defensive collapse in Game 5. Disappearance of Bridges, Ayton and Booker in Game 6.

It wasn't as simple as the Bucks being better. We had guys doing Houdini throughout that series after the first 2 games that goes way beyond how the Bucks were playing.

It's never that simple. The Suns lack of depth in the middle didn't help.
 
Top