The refs better now?

[cobbler]

With all due respect, if you are the mature one, don't respond. Ignore the provocation.

So true. Sometimes i just get so tired of the same ole same ole rants and raves and personal attacks. I should know better and will most definetly take your advice. Good observation and suggestion.

 

[Chaplin]

With all due respect, if you are the mature one, don't respond. Ignore the provocation.

Yeah, like THAT is going to happen.

What you have there is a poster displaying trollish behavior, and when he is called on it, he turns around with the "woe is me, everyone is picking on me" defense. And then when you post you're putting him on ignore, he STILL has to post just to get the last word. Pretty pathetic, actually, but not uncommon nowadays here.

 

[Cheesewater]

So true. Sometimes i just get so tired of the same ole same ole rants and raves and personal attacks. I should know better and will most definetly take your advice. Good observation and suggestion.

Good.

Now I'm going to tell you how the Lakers SUCK and how I love watching that Raja Bell clothesline video over and over and how the officials ride Kobe's jock and the league is fixed!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Remember my advice now...

 

[Jay Cardinal]

What was Raja thinking hitting Melo in the back? Melo has the ball, the ref has to call it. Even Dan Majerle pointed it out on the TV broadcast, called it a cheap shot. I thought it was really pretty low-class from Raja. He didn't deserve to be kicked in my opinion, but still something I would expect from Bruce Bowen or Danny Fortsen.

 

[BC867]

He was not just smiling and you know it. He was overtly laughing at the ref while staring him down in a mocking way.

I guess we saw different games. Raja wasn't staring him down at all.

And it sure looked like genuine laughter on his part, not a mocking laugh.

One "T", OK. Two at one time? Inept ref.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Insta Double Tech for laughing = wrong.

There's no way to dispute it.

 

[carrrnuttt]

So typical, Whine and cry about every loss calling it the refs fault.

Stu Jackson admitted that Raja shouldn't have been ejected.

 

[Cheesebeef]

That's just completely untrue. I've heard several neutral commentators joke about how the Spurs "never commit a foul." They protest about 90% of the fouls called against them.

Apparently they whine the right way and the Suns whine the wrong way. I don't know what the difference is, but there must be one.

Eric, you've been watching enough basketball to know the difference between whining politely/pathetically (which is exactly what the Spurs do) and throwing temper tantrums (which is exactly what our guys do). Is it right that one way curries favor with the refs apparently over another? No. But it's reality. That's all I'm saying.

 

[elindholm]

Eric, you've been watching enough basketball to know the difference between whining politely/pathetically (which is exactly what the Spurs do) and throwing temper tantrums (which is exactly what our guys do).

You could accuse Stoudemire of "temper tantrums," but I've seen Nash get T'ed up for the exact kind of "polite/pathetic" whining that the Spurs do after nearly every call.

I think you'd better watch a few more Spurs games before you leave them up on that pedestal of good sportsmanship. Their regular behavior is as deplorable as the Suns at their worst.

 

[nowagimp]

You could accuse Stoudemire of "temper tantrums," but I've seen Nash get T'ed up for the exact kind of "polite/pathetic" whining that the Spurs do after nearly every call.

I think you'd better watch a few more Spurs games before you leave them up on that pedestal of good sportsmanship. Their regular behavior is as deplorable as the Suns at their worst.

My thoughts exactly! The spurs are the biggest complainers in the NBA on a play by play basis. When you can win a title doing it, why is anyone suprised that they are emulated by other teams? I would hope that calls are made based on rules and that "currying favor or sucking up" is not the key to gaining a competitive advantage in officiating.

 

[Cheesewater]

I think it's possible that some officials like to beat certain players. I think they take it as a challenge: "I'm officiating a Pistons game tonight. Let's see if I can catch Rasheed Wallace in the act and punish him for it." or "I'm a good official. I'm not going to allow anyone to even attempt to take away my power on the court."

There's no such thing as a absolutely objective individual.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Eric, you've been watching enough basketball to know the difference between whining politely/pathetically (which is exactly what the Spurs do) and throwing temper tantrums (which is exactly what our guys do). Is it right that one way curries favor with the refs apparently over another? No. But it's reality. That's all I'm saying.

Cheese you are just way off on this. The Spurs are nationally recognized for this kind of thing. I think the national perception of the Suns is that they DO get jobbed on anything borderline.

I think the argument you are trying to make is that you don't want the Suns to turn into the Spurs - mocked nationally for their whining and "who me?" attitude.

Actually it seems to have worked for them quite well. Maybe we should be trying to emulate their style even more then it seems we already do.

 

[Cheesewater]

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TECHNICAL FOUL!!!!!!

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I lol'ed

 

[nowagimp]

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TECHNICAL FOUL!!!!!!

Now I am getting really upset, look at the way he's glaring at me, and his stare is mocking me. Im gonna get my whistle and shoot, er blow it at him!

 

[carrrnuttt]

Another thing the refs missed:

Denver's Martin exceeds flagrant foul points limit, banned 1 game

Associated Press

Updated: April 3, 2008, 5:42 PM ET

NEW YORK -- Denver Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin was suspended for one game without pay Thursday for exceeding the flagrant foul points total with five.

Martin was assessed a flagrant foul/penalty one for striking Phoenix's Boris Diaw in the face Tuesday night in Denver's win over the Suns.

Martin now faces one-game suspensions for each additional flagrant foul.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

Do you think if the refs had called the flagrant as they should have in-game, that the two free shots and possession would have helped the Suns?

 

[nowagimp]

Another thing the refs missed:



Do you think if the refs had called the flagrant as they should have in-game, that the two free shots and possession would have helped the Suns?

absolutely, the nugz rebounding and defense on amare would have suffered. And the possession certainlywould have made a difference. I guess suns players were testy for a reason eh! But you know raja smiling really hurt kevin fehrs feelings. Cheers to the trolls that came here criticizing and didnt even watch the game.

 

[Cheesewater]

Another thing the refs missed:

Do you think if the refs had called the flagrant as they should have in-game, that the two free shots and possession would have helped the Suns?

I think Kevin Fehr has money on the Nuggets making the playoffs.

 

[carrrnuttt]

absolutely, the nugz rebounding and defense on amare would have suffered. And the possession certainlywould have made a difference. I guess suns players were testy for a reason eh! But you know raja smiling really hurt kevin fehrs feelings. Cheers to the trolls that came here criticizing and didnt even watch the game.

Sorry, I didn't clarify. The question was rhetorical. I should have followed my question with a .

 

[Cheesebeef]

You could accuse Stoudemire of "temper tantrums," but I've seen Nash get T'ed up for the exact kind of "polite/pathetic" whining that the Spurs do after nearly every call.

I think you'd better watch a few more Spurs games before you leave them up on that pedestal of good sportsmanship. Their regular behavior is as deplorable as the Suns at their worst.

sorry man, I just don't see it. I see Nash throwing the same tantrums.

And NO WHERE did I put the Spurs on a pedestal of anything. In fact, I called them PATHETIC. They're just better at complaining than we are. But hey, if you want to just make stuff up and get all high and mighty (like you seemingly love to do), be my guest.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese you are just way off on this. The Spurs are nationally recognized for this kind of thing. I think the national perception of the Suns is that they DO get jobbed on anything borderline.

I think the argument you are trying to make is that you don't want the Suns to turn into the Spurs - mocked nationally for their whining and "who me?" attitude.

Actually it seems to have worked for them quite well. Maybe we should be trying to emulate their style even more then it seems we already do.

yeah, I think you're wrong. There's kissing the refs asses and looking like "that was me?" (which is what the Spurs excel at) and then there's BERATING them, which is what we universally do.

 

[Cheesewater]

yeah, I think you're wrong. There's kissing the refs asses and looking like "that was me?" (which is what the Spurs excel at) and then there's BERATING them, which is what we universally do.

The Spurs aren't just doing that, they are PLEADING. And I don't know, maybe you know what Nash is saying to the official but I don't think it qualifies as "BERATING".

A significant difference is in quantity. The Spurs complain what looks to me to be a good 33% more often than the Suns. And I think that is conservative.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Spurs aren't just doing that, they are PLEADING. And I don't know, maybe you know what Nash is saying to the official but I don't think it qualifies as "BERATING".

A significant difference is in quantity. The Spurs complain what looks to me to be a good 33% more often than the Suns. And I think that is conservative.

again, there's a difference between pleading and berating. I agree, the Spurs plead (A LOT... to a PATHETIC degree), while D, Amare and Nash berate officials IMO. Their way works, our way doesn't. Not saying it's right or wrong, it just is. Personally, we're starting to come off as those early 90's Blazers/Kings teams who were always more talented than the teams they eventually lost to but just never had the composure to rise above. I hope we prove to NOT be that team this year, but the amount of techs we're racking up this year along with last year's wound so tight we were actually goaded into killing ourselves has me skeptical that we don't suffer the same fate.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

While I completely agree with spurs/plead(+whine) and suns/berate(tantrum), I know I personally would be flipping out just as much as nash. Amare and Dantoni are a different story imo, as Nash is the most sensible of the three. However, I would feel too dirty and pathetic to ever whine/plead in the middle of an adrenaline packed passionate game like the spurs do every other day.

Amare is much too cocky and will NEVER get on a refs good side with his attitude and shouting.

Dantoni's tirade is the most embarassing. It makes me feel like he completely lacks negotiation and people skills. There is no man on this planet that would prefer to deal with an angry dantoni than anyone with half decent social skills. His face turns tomato red, he stomps his feet, flails his arm, and his body seems to vibrate with anger. I think if he shat on the floor and threw his feces at the refs it would be just as effective. It's the dictionary definition of temper tantrum.

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[ambchang_]

Really, the Spurs are mocked nationally for being whiners?
I did a simple google search.
"Spurs whiners" yielded 15,500 results.
"Suns whiners" yielded 488,000 results.
If my math is correct, that is about a 6.5x increase.

Also, Ginobili was benched earlier this year for arguing with the ref, and Bowen was just benched for arguing with a ref in the Golden States game a couple of nights ago.