The reffing situation just got uglier

[BC867]

Just because the refs dont have you on a tight leash doesnt mean you have to take advantage of it by kicking, kneeing and bodyslamming?

Wouldnt that be like having pity for convicted bank robbers who wiped out a bank that had unlocked doors?

Exactly right. Taking responsibility for your behavior. Their championship should indeed by clouded.

Kids minds and beliefs are molded significantly by sports. Hopefully not in this case.

 

[KloD]

It's beautiful because all those smug ass know-it-alls that chastize fans for complaining about refs, are about to get a big FU.

Exactly!!!

 

[nowagimp]

It's beautiful because all those smug ass know-it-alls that chastize fans for complaining about refs, are about to get a big FU.

Yeah and many of the defenders of the officials were long time posters on this board! I can rememer being chastized a number of times here for complaining about the refs.

 

[azirish]

Yeah and many of the defenders of the officials were long time posters on this board! I can rememer being chastized a number of times here for complaining about the refs.

There should be a semething between the "it's all the refs fault" to the "it's all the Suns FO fault for not having enough thugs" views. Finding the balance is not easy, but it made harder by a tendency toward taking extreme positions and then attacking people who don't agree.

My opinion is that the refs are not doing their job properly but also that the Suns are not adjusting well enough to how games are being called.

 

[nowagimp]

There should be a semething between the "it's all the refs fault" to the "it's all the Suns FO fault for not having enough thugs" views. Finding the balance is not easy, but it made harder by a tendency toward taking extreme positions and then attacking people who don't agree.

My opinion is that the refs are not doing their job properly but also that the Suns are not adjusting well enough to how games are being called.

My position is that officiating must be more objective, more defined. "We dont call em that way THIS game" does not work. A hand check on the perimeter should be a foul if it is used to slow a players dribble penetration, especially if a bigger, slower player is doing the checking on a smaller faster one. Robery Horry CANNOT guard steve Nash without a hand check(or hip check) foul, he is just not quick enough. Tony parker, on the other hand, may be just using his hand to "measure" steve Nash. The NBA officiating borders on the judging of boxing and gymnastics, its a joke. There is so little objectivity that someone whos has played the game 20 years cannot tell what a "foul" is. When a player is used to defend a much quicker or stronger player, he SHOULD be called for the foul, its part of the game. In this way it forces the coach to make a change. No calls on bad mismatches are NOT good defense, they are fouls and the failure to call them changes the strategy of the game. Allowing guys to bang amare on his way to the hoop is crap, amare doesnt initiate contact until he is ready to shoot because he's faster and more athletic than those guys. All the banging by guys like oberto on the way to the hoop is not his(amare's) choice, its a strategy by the opposing coach to slow him down, try to limit his hops on the finish via mugball. Its ugly and pathetic, its not basketball.

 

[Southpaw]

If this is true, you can kiss David Stern goodbye. I guess it all comes back and hits you in the face in the end. Arrogant A-hole

If Stern survives this, the big fix is in. Maybe if 20+ refs go down, some of them just might want to reflect on how the games are "adjusted" per the NBA office and how they might be directed to call games for outcomes. Maybe not.

 

[azirish]

I don't think the "big fix" is on. I do think there are innumerable problems with how officials are selected, trained, evaluated, and how the rules are written which does not deal with the real world of NBA play.

Stern is denial. He fines anyone who questions the quality of officiating rather than address the fact that it is a failure of his cronies running the process. Nothing will be done as long as Stern is in charge.