The 2025 NBA playoffs

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i'm still thinking pacers > knicks

pacers made short work of the cavs where as the knicks struggled putting away a beat up boston - plus i think the match up itself favors indy - hali can control the game

idk about the 7 days off tho
 

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I prefer pacers. I think they’d be a fun race with OKC. But I can’t shake the notion that the nba will somehow put the thumb on the side of the scale for the Knicks. And I am NOT a conspiracy guy with sports.
 

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I remember Booker standing up to Jokic in that series, the Suns winning 64 games the next season and then Mat Ishbia blows up the team the following season for Durant.

I remember the Suns quitting and being down by 50 in a game 7 turning in one of the most pathetic efforts in basketball history.

I remember that team for the second straight year blowing a 2-0 lead in a series.

Let’s not pretend everything was all roses
 
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I remember the Suns quitting and being down by 50 in a game 7 turning in one of the most pathetic efforts in basketball history.

I remember that team for the second straight year blowing a 2-0 lead in a series.

Let’s not pretend everything was all roses

No one said it was all roses. I'd much rather lose by 33 in game 7 of the second round versus missing the playoffs entirely without a lottery pick to show for it.
 

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No one said it was all roses. I'd much rather lose by 33 in game 7 of the second round versus missing the playoffs entirely without a lottery pick to show for it.

Well that’s the difference between me and you.

The Suns seen it wasn’t working and made a gamble a gamble that everyone around the NBA loved and so did 90% of this board at the time. No one knows what the future holds.

Some people are just comfortable to lose and are content
 

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Well that’s the difference between me and you.

The Suns seen it wasn’t working and made a gamble a gamble that everyone around the NBA loved and so did 90% of this board at the time. No one knows what the future holds.

Some people are just comfortable to lose and are content

90% of this board and analysts loved it? I disagree. The board was split, you can go back and look. This has been discussed since it happened. I'd grant a majority were in favor but no more than a slight majority and not as overwhelming as 90% would imply. As far as analysts, I don't think it was that many either. They all mentioned the risk which shows they didn't love it because you don't worry about it not working if you love the move so much.

This is about our individual views though so I'm not sure why you'd state it's about our views and then appeal to the views of others. You could have loved it, that's fine, but it didn't work. Was it rosy before? Much more so than now. We knew the cost was high and if it didn't work then we'd be in for much more pain than a bad game 7. I don't see anyone thankful we didn't lose an elimination game this year when we played for nothing as our season ended in April.
 
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Well that’s the difference between me and you.

The Suns seen it wasn’t working and made a gamble a gamble that everyone around the NBA loved and so did 90% of this board at the time. No one knows what the future holds.

Some people are just comfortable to lose and are content
Not a chance in hell. Yes, some fans did like it and some experts liked it but many of us here did NOT like it and it sure seemed to me like most experts questioned it too. The experts disagreed not so much with the acquisition but the cost.
 

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Well that’s the difference between me and you.

The Suns seen it wasn’t working and made a gamble a gamble that everyone around the NBA loved and so did 90% of this board at the time. No one knows what the future holds.

Some people are just comfortable to lose and are content
I think the board was pretty split 50/50 on that deal.
 

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Not a chance in hell. Yes, some fans did like it and some experts liked it but many of us here did NOT like it and it sure seemed to me like most experts questioned it too. The experts disagreed not so much with the acquisition but the cost.
It definitely wasn’t 90% for it on this board. More like 50/50 with vociferous opinions both ways. But I think you’re misremembering most experts said it lifted us from being an afterthought at 30-26 to a legit Title Contender. And that bore out in Vegas too not only that season but even going into the next one where I believe we still had the fourth best odds to win the title.
 

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I think the board was pretty split 50/50 on that deal.
Yeah, I have no idea of the breakdown but no way was it anywhere close to "everyone" or "90%". The loudest voices here were decidedly against it but we were probably in the minority, though not by much IMO.
 

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It definitely wasn’t 90% for it on this board. More like 50/50 with vociferous opinions both ways. But I think you’re misremembering most experts said it lifted us from being an afterthought at 30-26 to a legit Title Contender. And that bore out in Vegas too not only that season but even going into the next one where I believe we still had the fourth best odds to win the title.
I thought the really strong opinions came mostly from those set against the deal and that most of the pro-KD opinions were more of the "we need to do something, glad to see we took the gamble, any gamble" and I wouldn't say those posters were particularly in love with the trade - they recognized it was a big risk but felt it was worth it.
 

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I think the only 90%+ issue here over the last 2 decades regarding the Suns is wanting Sarver out.
Well, I'd say the Haliburton issue was easily 90% especially if you consider those of us that only gave the organization a pass when the story was all about him refusing to play for us - once that story started looking weak I think it was as close to 100% as you can get. Also, although some of us have since changed our minds on it, the Ayton exit was also close to unanimous here.
 

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Well, I'd say the Haliburton issue was easily 90% especially if you consider those of us that only gave the organization a pass when the story was all about him refusing to play for us - once that story started looking weak I think it was as close to 100% as you can get. Also, although some of us have since changed our minds on it, the Ayton exit was also close to unanimous here.

Bad enough I need to watch Halliburton play tonight but to be reminded of unanimous the call to draft him was before tuning in will make it harder. Thanks Steve!

Seriously, I try to bury the Haliburton decision deep. It's like bumping into your high school crush at your class reunion and being told she always hoped you asked her out. What could have been....
 

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I remember the Suns quitting and being down by 50 in a game 7 turning in one of the most pathetic efforts in basketball history.

I remember that team for the second straight year blowing a 2-0 lead in a series.

Let’s not pretend everything was all roses

No one is pretending it was all roses but look where the Suns are now… they couldn't even make the play-in.

Talk about going from the penthouse to the out house.
 

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No one is pretending it was all roses but look where the Suns are now… they couldn't even make the play-in.

Talk about going from the penthouse to the out house.
Yeah I hate this idea that we had to do it because we had to do something. Some of us despised the trade because it was ridiculously one-sided. Accepting we needed to make changes is one thing, making the dumbest possible decision is another and that's what some of us believed was happening.
 

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Well that’s the difference between me and you.

The Suns seen it wasn’t working and made a gamble a gamble that everyone around the NBA loved and so did 90% of this board at the time. No one knows what the future holds.

Some people are just comfortable to lose and are content

I think if most sat back and thought logically over the trade and removed the hype of it being Durant, they'd realize how absurd it was and how extremely unlikely it was to work, and how horrible the consequences likely would be.

The Suns needed to make a move but the direction they went was abjectly terrible.
 

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Does anybody in the league throw as many no look passes as Haliburton?
 

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But but but I knew it would be a disaster

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Welcome to you too, apparently you skipped all the posts here when the trade went down. There were several of us convinced it would be one of the worst moves any team has ever made. And we talked about it a lot with several of us on record repeating (over and over again) that same prediction of doom. Trading for KD was a questionable move and including Bridges made it even worse but then, to not protect the picks? That's just inexcusable.
 

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No one is pretending it was all roses but look where the Suns are now… they couldn't even make the play-in.

Talk about going from the penthouse to the out house.

I can’t believe you still keep referring to the one of the most embarassing playoff exits of all time AND being 30-26 the following season as the “penthouse”.

It’s such a specious argument and you keep making it and I can’t figure out why. I get thinking we were in better position but the penthouse is just not true.
 
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