The 2019-2020 Around the NBA thread

[Hoop Head]

Who’s ahead of him at PG. I think Lillard is the only guy is argue.

Lillard for sure. I also think Luka, Harden, and Chris Paul were all better than him this last season. I don't like Chris Paul but what he helped OKC accomplish was a huge surprise that showed his true value, IMO. Thats 4 guys ahead of him already. Curry might be also but since he missed almost the whole season, I won't list him.

Add Lebron, Giannis, AD, Jokic, and Kawhi and you're at 9 guys ahead of Murray. I wouldn't argue he's better than any of them right now, he probably will surpass some with time though.

Some debatable names are Butler, Tatum, and Embiid. I think I'd have all 3 ahead of Murray also and that takes him from the top 10 players right now.

 

[Finito]

Lillard for sure. I also think Luka, Harden, and Chris Paul were all better than him this last season. I don't like Chris Paul but what he helped OKC accomplish was a huge surprise that showed his true value, IMO. Thats 4 guys ahead of him already. Curry might be also but since he missed almost the whole season, I won't list him.

Add Lebron, Giannis, AD, Jokic, and Kawhi and you're at 9 guys ahead of Murray. I wouldn't argue he's better than any of them right now, he probably will surpass some with time though.

Some debatable names are Butler, Tatum, and Embiid. I think I'd have all 3 ahead of Murray also and that takes him from the top 10 players right now.

I said at PG

I wouldn’t take Harden, Giannis, Paul or Embiid over him at all

Harden and Giannis can’t be viewed as stars anymore in my opinion both flame out when it matters most. Regular season wins and points that’s cute but playoffs is where it matters most. I think Giannis is more a case of him being used wrong but still.

Embiid is to hot and cold for me. He’s flat out lazy at points and being in shape is always a question.

Paul is damn good but at this point in his career it’s more glimpses of greatness than a nightly thing and that’s certainly no shame he’s been in the league forever.

Denver was the 2 seed last year these guys didn’t just get good. Playoffs matter to me and the way Murray is balling out when it matters most says a lot.

 

[Mainstreet]

Contract extension with Masai Ujiri not discussed as yet with Raptors owbership.

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ben Simmons = 3rd team, but Booker does not? What a travesty. Especially on an underachieving team like the Sixers.

As underachieving as they were they were still a playoff team and he’s a recognized excellent defender.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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This is kind of a travesty

 

[Chaplin]

As underachieving as they were they were still a playoff team and he’s a recognized excellent defender.

In the East. The Suns would have been in the playoffs too if they were in the East. Even with as up and down we were in the regular season.

I’ll concede the defensive superiority.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In the East. The Suns would have been in the playoffs too if they were in the East. Even with as up and down we were in the regular season.

I’ll concede the defensive superiority.

While I agree with the probability of that, it’s still conjecture whereas the sizers actually did it.

 

[Chaplin]

While I agree with the probability of that, it’s still conjecture whereas the sizers actually did it.

The Sixers played a majority of Eastern Conference opponents. The Suns played Western Conference opponents. That alone makes a difference IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Sixers played a majority of Eastern Conference opponents. The Suns played Western Conference opponents. That alone makes a difference IMO.

I don’t think anyone is ever going to win an award based on woulda coulda shoulda or strength of schedule.

 

[BC867]

he’s definitely a pure shooting guard and he was an all star this year. He gets plenty of props around the league

For the record, DBook was an injury replacement. He was not voted to the All Star team by the fans.

 

[Yuma]

It's a travesty, a sham, and a mockery! A Traveshamockery!

 

[Chaplin]

I don’t think anyone is ever going to win an award based on woulda coulda shoulda or strength of schedule.

I think the quality of opponents taken over an entire breadth of a season is at least somewhat important. If Devin Booker played in the Eastern Conference, do you not think his numbers would go up?

 

[Yuma]

I think the quality of opponents taken over an entire breadth of a season is at least somewhat important. If Devin Booker played in the Eastern Conference, do you not think his numbers would go up?

I think another couple assists on average, maybe 5 more points to his average.

 

[Chaplin]

I think another couple assists on average, maybe 5 more points to his average.

That's actually a pretty big bump.

 

[Yuma]

That's actually a pretty big bump.

I agree. Where Booker is at now, those are Dwayne Wade numbers. So to push above that says a lot. I think if he did play the East Coast it would be a bump. Look at what happens when we play East Coast teams.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't get what the big deal is on Booker and the voting. This voting only included games played through March 11th. Prior to that 8 game winning streak, there was a national perception (echoed on this board frequently) that Book was overrated and his numbers came at the expense of wins. The bubble altered that perception for many but it came too late to show up for NBA awards and special team selections.

 

[Mainstreet]

Enes Kanter getting playing time in first half for Celtics. He has produced 9 points and 6 rebounds.

Celtics lead 52-39.

 

[Mainstreet]

Celtics ahead at halftime 60-47.

Kemba Walkers leads Celtics with 14 points.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's hard to see Gordon Hayward passing up a $34,187,085 million player option for next season.

He could be back during series with Heat. So much was expected when he signed with the Celtics.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wish the Suns had the scouts of the Heat. Kendrick Nunn and Duncan Robinson weren't even drafted.

Daniel Theis of the Celtics wasn't drafted either.

I may be missing a few players.

 

[Mainstreet]

Brad Wanamaker wasn't drafted.

We know Dragic was a second round pick.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think the quality of opponents taken over an entire breadth of a season is at least somewhat important. If Devin Booker played in the Eastern Conference, do you not think his numbers would go up?

I don’t know. I suppose you could look at his number against eastern conference foes if you think there’s an argument to be made there.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think another couple assists on average, maybe 5 more points to his average.

Those are big jumps. I don’t think so.

 

[Mainstreet]

Heat outscore the Celtics by 20 in 3rd quarter and lead 84-77.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I wish the Suns had the scouts of the Heat. Kendrick Nunn and Duncan Robinson weren't even drafted.

Daniel Theis of the Celtics wasn't drafted either.

I may be missing a few players.

I can’t remember the last time we identified an undrafted or 2nd round stud.