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Strange Goin's On at Flag?
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HUH?
Players with high salaries are benched all the time for missed or bad performance in this league. it would be somewhat of a surprise due to the fact that he makes 5 million per year. but definately not out of the realm of possability!
He needs to have his but in there in the months of sept, oct, and nov, as well not just january or he is doing this team no good!
king: Thanks!
I was ragging on starks in my sunday report...he is so small I think he will get injured alot...I do not think coby rhinehart is playing that well...I think renoldo hill is doing better (and I have always thought he was too slow to make the team)...come on rhett nelson..or someone!
I was ragging on starks in my sunday report...he is so small I think he will get injured alot...I do not think coby rhinehart is playing that well...I think renoldo hill is doing better (and I have always thought he was too slow to make the team)...come on rhett nelson..or someone!
His size was never an issue in Baltimore in regards to injuries so I dont see how size would come into play here?
Plus Hamstrings have nothing to do with size. Its conditioning!
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If Starks can't cut it, we're screwed at CB. We've seen Renaldo Hill start, that's not pretty.
Starks never had injury issues the four years he played for the Ravens. Is it typical Cardinals luck, or what?
Starks never had injury issues the four years he played for the Ravens. Is it typical Cardinals luck, or what?
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Really? Please give me an example of a star player getting benched not for performance, but because he didn't want to practice at training camp. Do you really think that David Barrett or Coby Reinhart has a chance of being a #1 CB this season? Or that Duane is going to be a nickel corner? Mac's just blowing smoke. Vet players don't like camp very much. That's just a fact. That's why a lot of vets stage holdouts for "more money," then come back in toward the end of camp without a new deal.
Did you read the last sentence of my post? I said that Mac needs to worry about "having Starks on the field from September to late January." I believe that. Personally, I don't think that for a vet player, reps in July are going to make that much of a difference. Resting him now might prolong the time that he can stay healthy as the season wears on.
I wouldnt say we are screwed I thought Renaldo did well considering the circumstances. But your right Starks would be my first choice.
heck if we can finally develop a pass rush this year whomevers playing will be better than the previous 3 years.
No kidding about our fricken luck aj!
Alan
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Sounds like Wadsworth and Jones.
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How's this? (I'm allowed to do that):
Tues. July 29 AM - (Skkorp) -
Overview:
For the first time, we get a peek at Skkorp's media gut-instincts. He wrapped up his call by saying that he had this eerie feeling that "something was up" and had I heard anything? He mentioned that (a) Pace hadn't signed yet and wasn't at the morning practice, (b) Coach Mac appeared miffed, (c) the media room - usually with at least a smattering of media people at noon hour was totally empty. Then he said that something appeared to be happening and he'd call me back. So (at 12:35 AZT) here we be.
This morning's practice was dominated by the defense for the first time since Camp began (Jim thinks it might be because the offensive players were plumb tired). Most of the down and distance drills involved passing situations which saw the defense playing a lot of nickel and dime.
Mash Unit
Starks sat out practice again (and, again, Coach Mac made mention of it). Ken King (leg) was carted off but was patched up and returned to action.
Offense
Worked on a lot of red zone plays and ran a lot of Trips Right stuff. (And, yes, #4 - Walker - was one of the guys out there).
Quarterbacks
Blake was a bit less sharp than he had been previously, throwing 2 interceptions.
Receivers
McAddley (several drops) had his first bad day in Camp. Foster dropped two passes including an easy TD. (He appears to be fighting for a final roster spot - one which requires versatility - and he's already struggling returning punts. He cannot afford to be anything less than 100% dependable in his receiving role).
Tight End
Banks is very quietly having a very nice Camp, making several long catches despite the TE's not being thrown to all that much so far.
Offensive Line
All three units got chewed up by the defense this morning (As Skkorp mentioned earlier - maybe it's a function of fatigue).
Defense
They played a lot of nickel and dime packages and generally stayed in the 4-3 all morning.
Defensive Line
The first unit created all kinds of havoc and sported a surprise configuration:
96 Johnson 91 Bryant 97 Wakefield 93 Vanden Bosch
Although there was some blitzing, a lot of the pressure on the QB came from the front four. Ken King played RDE with the second unit and looked good rushing the passer. Then he got carted off the field. Then he returned and continued to perform well.
Linebacker
In nickel packages, they'd play their quicker LB's inside. Usually Fisher would leave the field and Levar Woods would team with Ray Thompson inside. Incidently, Fisher (who may complain about knee pain away from the field) is playing as though there wasn't a problem.
Defensive Backs
Rhinehart lined up in Starks place and looks healthy, injury free and playing well. Renaldo Hill (in his role as nickel back) has created a buzz by picking off 3 passes in the past 1½ days. The secondary (i.e. Jackson, Wilson, Barrett, Rhinehart) all looked good.
Last Word
I wonder whazzup at the media room. No rerturn phone call yet from Skkorp.
Tues. July 29 AM - (Skkorp) -
Overview:
For the first time, we get a peek at Skkorp's media gut-instincts. He wrapped up his call by saying that he had this eerie feeling that "something was up" and had I heard anything? He mentioned that (a) Pace hadn't signed yet and wasn't at the morning practice, (b) Coach Mac appeared miffed, (c) the media room - usually with at least a smattering of media people at noon hour was totally empty. Then he said that something appeared to be happening and he'd call me back. So (at 12:35 AZT) here we be.
This morning's practice was dominated by the defense for the first time since Camp began (Jim thinks it might be because the offensive players were plumb tired). Most of the down and distance drills involved passing situations which saw the defense playing a lot of nickel and dime.
Mash Unit
Starks sat out practice again (and, again, Coach Mac made mention of it). Ken King (leg) was carted off but was patched up and returned to action.
Offense
Worked on a lot of red zone plays and ran a lot of Trips Right stuff. (And, yes, #4 - Walker - was one of the guys out there).
Quarterbacks
Blake was a bit less sharp than he had been previously, throwing 2 interceptions.
Receivers
McAddley (several drops) had his first bad day in Camp. Foster dropped two passes including an easy TD. (He appears to be fighting for a final roster spot - one which requires versatility - and he's already struggling returning punts. He cannot afford to be anything less than 100% dependable in his receiving role).
Tight End
Banks is very quietly having a very nice Camp, making several long catches despite the TE's not being thrown to all that much so far.
Offensive Line
All three units got chewed up by the defense this morning (As Skkorp mentioned earlier - maybe it's a function of fatigue).
Defense
They played a lot of nickel and dime packages and generally stayed in the 4-3 all morning.
Defensive Line
The first unit created all kinds of havoc and sported a surprise configuration:
96 Johnson 91 Bryant 97 Wakefield 93 Vanden Bosch
Although there was some blitzing, a lot of the pressure on the QB came from the front four. Ken King played RDE with the second unit and looked good rushing the passer. Then he got carted off the field. Then he returned and continued to perform well.
Linebacker
In nickel packages, they'd play their quicker LB's inside. Usually Fisher would leave the field and Levar Woods would team with Ray Thompson inside. Incidently, Fisher (who may complain about knee pain away from the field) is playing as though there wasn't a problem.
Defensive Backs
Rhinehart lined up in Starks place and looks healthy, injury free and playing well. Renaldo Hill (in his role as nickel back) has created a buzz by picking off 3 passes in the past 1½ days. The secondary (i.e. Jackson, Wilson, Barrett, Rhinehart) all looked good.
Last Word
I wonder whazzup at the media room. No rerturn phone call yet from Skkorp.
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Poor Poor Renaldo Hill. Man, He gets it from everywhere. Last year remember the FOX sportscrew tearing him a new during the 2nd SF game.
At least the guy is out there.
And picking off passes!
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Renaldo Hill has been a hell of a draft pick, considering he was a 7th rounder. But, I don't think anyone would say he's anything but a short term fill in as a starter.
I just can't see us cutting Starks without making some sort of pickup of another CB. I think Mac is trying to light a fire under Starks. The thing is, if the hammy really is tweaked, the best thing Starks can do is sit out. If you push him back too early and you tear the hammy up worse, then you've really hurt the team.
Pariah
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Drew Bledsoe comes to mind. Although, granted his situation is a little different. He wasn't doing anything before he was injured in 2001 and then his replacement tore it up. But, did the all-pro QB and fan favorite in New England get his job back? No...benched.
I think there are others with a twist, too...R. Williams situation (released) in N.O., maybe some more but I can't think of them right now.
These siyuations would compare more favorably with Starks if we had a young up and comer behind him. I don't think we do...
kerouac9
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Those situations aren't really comperable, because Bledsoe (who doesn't get the credit he probably deserves for being SO classy in the wake of that situation) went down due to injury, and the coaching staff went with the hot hand. I didn't agree with the situation then, but it worked out all right for them. It had nothing to do with not really wanting to play in training camp.
Ricky Williams is a little better example, but he never really fit in in New Orleans, was another coach's guy (Ditka), and was probably on the way out, anyway. Actually, I think that's more comperable to what happened with Thomas Jones (I'm an unabashed Jones apologist)...
Either way, neither had anything to do with a player not wanting to be on the field in training camp, and Starks is Mac's guy.
Pariah
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Yeah, I know they're not perfect, but they are examples of stars losing jobs largely due to injury.
Let me now pose another question.....
So let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that Starks is reasonably happy here and likes Mac as a coach.......
Don't you think it would sting a little and maybe light a little bit of a fire, if a coach you do like starts calling you out a little in public?
So let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that Starks is reasonably happy here and likes Mac as a coach.......
Don't you think it would sting a little and maybe light a little bit of a fire, if a coach you do like starts calling you out a little in public?
kerouac9
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Re: To me, it sounds like...
That's what it sounds like to me, too. It probably is the case, at least 60% of the case. I'm willing to give the man some slack. He's the proven star of the secondary. Let Mac go blow smoke somewhere else, because I don't think that Starks's job is in jeopardy, and I think that him and the other players know that, too.
That's what it sounds like to me, too. It probably is the case, at least 60% of the case. I'm willing to give the man some slack. He's the proven star of the secondary. Let Mac go blow smoke somewhere else, because I don't think that Starks's job is in jeopardy, and I think that him and the other players know that, too.
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I hope Jurecki is right! I wonder why Mac was irritated then??
You've heard of "the fog of war" - this thread is an example of the Fog of Reporting.
Skkorp had a gut feeling; things sounded a bit weird to me also. So rather than wait for the story to come to us, I reported what the whole scene felt like at the time.
As it turned out, it was probably the biggest non-story since Brock Marion hightailed it out of Dodge. But I'd probably post it again, because it will give you a sense of how stories develop and advance (or, as in this case, not develop at all).
Regarding Mac and Starks - I skimmed this thread and maybe you guys already posted it, but the quote that sticks in my mind was something like:
"Coby Rhinehart had a terrific day. Renaldo Hill did great today. If Duane Starks can't make it to the field, there are other people who will take his job. That's the way it is in pro football."
Those am strong words.
You've heard of "the fog of war" - this thread is an example of the Fog of Reporting.
Skkorp had a gut feeling; things sounded a bit weird to me also. So rather than wait for the story to come to us, I reported what the whole scene felt like at the time.
As it turned out, it was probably the biggest non-story since Brock Marion hightailed it out of Dodge. But I'd probably post it again, because it will give you a sense of how stories develop and advance (or, as in this case, not develop at all).
Regarding Mac and Starks - I skimmed this thread and maybe you guys already posted it, but the quote that sticks in my mind was something like:
"Coby Rhinehart had a terrific day. Renaldo Hill did great today. If Duane Starks can't make it to the field, there are other people who will take his job. That's the way it is in pro football."
Those am strong words.
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If Coby Rhinehart and Renaldo Hill had strong days - I'd worry more about our"depth and talent" at WR than Duane Starks. Well, at least it's better than Rhinehart and Hill looking like crap (in the words of Ouchie - see a positive)
Just what I want for a successful season...and CB corp of Barrett, Hill and Rhinehart. May not matter if they can rush the passer better than anyone in the history of league with those guys holding down the fort every play all season long.
jmr667
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That may be why McGinnis is sounding a little grouchy about Starks not practicing yesterday and today. Maybe he feels Starks did not show up in good enough physical condition.
I wonder if he was involved in any of the offseason workouts...
