Starting Cowboys Qb?

[CaptTurbo]

Who is starting for the cowpukes? Henson/Quincy/Vinny

 

[SECTION 11]

week one: Quincy
week eight: Vinny
week sixteen: Henson

 

[Pariah]

Week One: Vinny
Week Eight (due to injury): Carter
Week Sixteen: Vinnie

 

[kerouac9]

Carter keeps the job all 16 weeks, plus two playoff games. Parcells throws open the spot for camp competition after the season.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I bet a guy 20. If vinny starts I lose

 

[maddogkf]

I bet a guy 20. If vinny starts I lose

starts at all this season, or is the starter at the beginning of the season?

 

[CaptTurbo]

starts at all this season, or is the starter at the beginning of the season?

beginning

 

[Stout]

Carter keeps the job all 16 weeks, plus two playoff games. Parcells throws open the spot for camp competition after the season.

Cowgirls in two playoff games? Na ganna happen. Cowgirls even making the playoffs this year? Na ganna happen. Those glaring weaknesses won't be patched by good coaching like last year, and teams will take advantage of it.

 

[kerouac9]

Cowgirls in two playoff games? Na ganna happen. Cowgirls even making the playoffs this year? Na ganna happen. Those glaring weaknesses won't be patched by good coaching like last year, and teams will take advantage of it.

Who'd they lose this offseason? Mario Edwards? So, same #1 defense, offense with two new (better) runningbacks. What are their "glaring weaknesses"? Maybe the QB play, but they have an explosive young WR in the slot, a consistent chain-mover and a burner on the outside. As long as they have some consistency at the QB position (and I expect Carter to improve a bit this season), they're going to be a tough team to beat.

I don't even like the Cowboys, but I wouldn't want the Cards to play them.

 

[Stout]

Who'd they lose this offseason? Mario Edwards? So, same #1 defense, offense with two new (better) runningbacks. What are their "glaring weaknesses"? Maybe the QB play, but they have an explosive young WR in the slot, a consistent chain-mover and a burner on the outside. As long as they have some consistency at the QB position (and I expect Carter to improve a bit this season), they're going to be a tough team to beat.

I don't even like the Cowboys, but I wouldn't want the Cards to play them.

First off, they don't HAVE a QB. Carter is one of the worst starters in the league, and I do NOT expect improvement out of him. Yes, they have a good defense, but unless it's as good as the Ravens defense of a few years back (which it isn't even CLOSE to), it won't be enough. George is over the hill, I laughed at the Julius Jones pick (I just think he'll be a bust), and their offensive line doesn't insipire much confidence. Add in the fact that the Tuna won't surprise anyone this year, and I don't see them making the playoffs. Sure, they may not be horrible, but I don't think they make it.

 

[Jersey Girl]

I thought they released Carter? Perhaps that was just a rumor I heard.

 

[Pariah]

First off, they don't HAVE a QB. Carter is one of the worst starters in the league, and I do NOT expect improvement out of him. Yes, they have a good defense, but unless it's as good as the Ravens defense of a few years back (which it isn't even CLOSE to), it won't be enough. George is over the hill, I laughed at the Julius Jones pick (I just think he'll be a bust), and their offensive line doesn't insipire much confidence. Add in the fact that the Tuna won't surprise anyone this year, and I don't see them making the playoffs. Sure, they may not be horrible, but I don't think they make it.

Stout, i don't like the cowboys as much as the next guy, but I definately think you've painted the worst case scenario here. The best case scenario sees the defense maintain their high-level of play, stability or improvement (depending if it's Vinny or a young kid under center) from the QB position, increase in first downs and ball control due to KJ's presense, George combines with Jones to be a very effective 1-2 punch and they land in the NFC championship game. The fact of the matter is they're probably somewhere in between best and worse ase--there will probably be some ups and downs for them this year and they get another wildcard playoff spot. Maybe even winning in that first round.

As much as I hate to say it, they are probably a playoff-calibre team.

 

[Russ Smith]

I thought they released Carter? Perhaps that was just a rumor I heard.

They released Chad Hutchinson, reportedly because Henson has looked so much better in camp than they expected there was no sense in keeping Chad. Chad came out and said they made a huge mistake, they'll regret it,and "nothing against Drew but he's me 2 years ago."

Again, Chad has talent and at the right price I would have loved to see us pursue him a few years ago, but Chad was never as good as Henson in college, he was always a guy long on potential but never put it together, Henson had an 8 game run on an elite team against good competition that had scouts talking about him as the top overall pick if he'd come out.

Chad was a guy who with a lot of coaching had a chance to be pretty good, Henson is a guy who if HE is receptive to coaching will be great, if he still wants to maneuver for PT instead of just working hard, he may fail. But odds are he'll do a lot better than Chad when he finally gets his chance to play, which should be next year.

 

[kerouac9]

First off, they don't HAVE a QB. Carter is one of the worst starters in the league, and I do NOT expect improvement out of him. Yes, they have a good defense, but unless it's as good as the Ravens defense of a few years back (which it isn't even CLOSE to), it won't be enough. George is over the hill, I laughed at the Julius Jones pick (I just think he'll be a bust), and their offensive line doesn't insipire much confidence. Add in the fact that the Tuna won't surprise anyone this year, and I don't see them making the playoffs. Sure, they may not be horrible, but I don't think they make it.

1. Quincy Carter was 17th in the league in completion percentage in 2003. 12th in yardage. In a new offense. He'll have another year under his belt and an experienced mentor in Vinny Testaverde. The kid's only 26 years old; how can he not improve. He had a 17:21 TD/INT ratio, but he'll have a better corps of WRs to work with, and an above-average intermediate/possession target in Keyshawn.

2. George/Jones is going to be better than Hambrick/nobody. With Hambrick last season, the Cowboys still mustered up the NFL's 12th-ranked passing attack. Bill Parcells is a pretty proven talent evaluator at the runningback position. I'll take his thoughts over yours

3. Dallas had the #1 defense in the NFL last season. Pretty Baltimore-like to me. They dominated teams defensively last season. Remember when the Cards visited?

Personally, I don't think that Washington's done enough to close the gap on the Cowboys on either side of the ball. I think that it'll take Gibbs a season to turn them around. Combine that with a weak schedule (Against the NFC North and the AFC North--Arizona's schedule last year), and I think that the Cowboys are going to be competitive with the Eagles all season, but will win a Wild Card.

Are you really a grad student? In what, engineering? Your analysis is pretty weak, man.

 

[Jttsaz]

Stout, i don't like the cowboys as much as the next guy, but I definately think you've painted the worst case scenario here. The best case scenario sees the defense maintain their high-level of play, stability or improvement (depending if it's Vinny or a young kid under center) from the QB position, increase in first downs and ball control due to KJ's presense, George combines with Jones to be a very effective 1-2 punch and they land in the NFC championship game. The fact of the matter is they're probably somewhere in between best and worse ase--there will probably be some ups and downs for them this year and they get another wildcard playoff spot. Maybe even winning in that first round.

As much as I hate to say it, they are probably a playoff-calibre team.

That's an awfully tough division this year...Eagles have to be considered the team to beat. Redskins have a boatload of talent...can Joe Gibbs put it all together at his age? Cowboys really suprised a ton of people last year...will they play this hard for Tuna again? Giants looked like a Playoff team heading into last season...Can Warner or Manning get enough time to complete a pass behind a suspect O-line? My order
1)Eagles (McNabb to TO is a nice combo)
2) Washington (Brunell finds his second wind in Washington..and Portis has a great year)
3) Cowboys( Crushing Defense keeps them in every game, but offense can't score enough points)
4) G-men (Warner get's his 1st conc. of the season week 1..Manning struggles)
Can the east send 3 teams to the playoffs? I don't think so...Just my opinion...

 

[Jersey Girl]

Thanks for clearing that up, Russ.

 

[Pariah]

My order
1)Eagles
2) Washington
3) Cowboys
4) G-men
Can the east send 3 teams to the playoffs?

I see Washington being a year away from contention--and that's if they can get that o-line to play to potential (we all know how hard that is) and if Joe Gibbs can adjust to today's NFL (which, I suspect he can). I think they are slightly behind Dallas at this point, though.

So, I see it like this:

1. Eagles
2. Cowboys (Wild Card)
3. 'Skins (no playoffs)
4. Giants (no playoffs)

 

[Stout]

Are you really a grad student? In what, engineering? Your analysis is pretty weak, man.

I'll start with this one, since you were sooo polite...are you really a jackass, or do is it just come naturally? Your attitude is pretty stupid, man.

 

[Stout]

1. Quincy Carter was 17th in the league in completion percentage in 2003. 12th in yardage. In a new offense. He'll have another year under his belt and an experienced mentor in Vinny Testaverde. The kid's only 26 years old; how can he not improve. He had a 17:21 TD/INT ratio, but he'll have a better corps of WRs to work with, and an above-average intermediate/possession target in Keyshawn.

2. George/Jones is going to be better than Hambrick/nobody. With Hambrick last season, the Cowboys still mustered up the NFL's 12th-ranked passing attack. Bill Parcells is a pretty proven talent evaluator at the runningback position. I'll take his thoughts over yours

3. Dallas had the #1 defense in the NFL last season. Pretty Baltimore-like to me. They dominated teams defensively last season. Remember when the Cards visited?

Now, onward and upward. I'll start with #3, since it's so incredibly wrong. Baltimore-like? Last years Dallas defense? Ha. Ha ha. Ah hahahahahahaha! Oh, sorry, couldn't help myself. Really good? Yes. Dominating? At times, yes. Pst...dominating us last year isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, but I do concede, they had a damn fine defense...ranked #1 in the NFL last year, supposedly. Now, does #1 defense in the league last year = Baltimore's SB defense? Ummmmm...bzzzzt. Not even close. Defenses are better or worse year to year, and Baltimore's SB defense was by far better than last years Cowboy defense.

As to the RBs...well, I condede, George is probably better than Hambrick. His addition helps, but I stick by my ascertation that George isn't what he used to be. And, whether you want to admit it or not, regardless of the Tuna, Jones is still a rookie. An unproven rookie. One who fell for damn good reasons. One I think will bust. I don't care that you'll take the Tuna's analysis over mine. I take mine over yours. The Tuna isn't God, believe it or not. So, granted, the run game may be marginally improved through the George addition, but remember that aging and even more out-of-shape Allen? He ain't getting any younger.

QBs? I have to say, I'm surprised by Carter's numbers you posted, but like I said, they were well-coached. Problem is, was he even THAT good? Was it flawless scheming and coaching? Can he repeat that, let alone improve upon it? I think Carter has peaked, and I don't see much more out of him. You like him? Draft him in fantasy, then. I'll stay away, thanks.

Bottom line is, you look for improvement from the same players, I think their players aren't quite as good as they played last year, and the Tuna carried the team. I don't think he can carry them as well this year, since he won't be surprising anyone (and they were surpising last year). Simple. I disagree.

Now, you're entitled to your opinion. I disagree, but you are entitled. Don't try to pretend to be a genius and belittle me, smart ass, and I won't take potshots back at you. Okay? Okay.

 

[kerouac9]

That's an awfully tough division this year...Eagles have to be considered the team to beat. Redskins have a boatload of talent...can Joe Gibbs put it all together at his age? Cowboys really suprised a ton of people last year...will they play this hard for Tuna again? Giants looked like a Playoff team heading into last season...Can Warner or Manning get enough time to complete a pass behind a suspect O-line?

This is an interesting take. Honestly, I don't know. I look at the starting lineups for each team:

Dallas's Lineup
Washington's Lineup

QB: Carter-Testaverde-Henson (DAL); Brunell-Ramsey-Hasselback (WAS). Advantage: DALLAS. I don't like Brunell all that much. He absorbed 145 sacks between 2000 and 2003, and survived all of three games last season.

RB: George-Jones-Carson (DAL); Portis-Betts-Morton (WAS). Advantage: Washington. But barely. Portis is great, but he may not be able to stay healthy. If he goes down, that effectively ends the 'Skins' season. Dallas can make do for 16 games if either Eddie or Julius gets hurt.

WR: Johnson-Glenn-Bryant (DAL); Gardner-Coles-Thrash (WAS). Advantage: Push. In their systems, I think they'll perform about the same. One caveat: Brunell doesn't have the arm strength anymore to take advantage of Gardner and Coles' speed. None of the QBs on Dallas' roster lack for arm strength.

TE: Campbell-Whitten (DAL); Rasby-Kozkowski (WAS). Advantage: Dallas. Big time. Jason Whitten is an emerging difference-maker.

O-Line: Adams-Allen-DiNappoli-Lehr-Tucker (DAL); Samuels-Dockery-Freidman-Thomas-Jansen (WAS). Advantage: Dallas. Dallas has better depth, as well, with Andre Gurode, Jacob Rogers, and Al Johnson waiting in the wings.

D-Line: Wiley-Blade-Glover-Ellis (DAL); Wynn-Griffin-Haley-Daniels (WAS). Advantage: Dallas. Easy. Washington is sad-sad-sad along the defensive line.

LBs: Singleton-Nguyen-Coakley (DAL); Washington-Barrow-Arrington (WAS). Advantage: Push. May favor Washington, but this is really, really even.

Corners: Newman-Hunter-Davison (DAL); Smoot-Springs-Harris (WAS). Advantage: Dallas. But barely. Newman's better than Smoot, but Springs might just edge out Hunter, but Davison is probably better than Harris.

Safeties: Williams-Woodson (DAL); Taylor-Ohalete (WAS). Advantage: Dallas. For now, at least. Williams is better now, and Woodson's definitely better than Ohalete.

What's that add up to? 6-1 for Dallas. It's not that one-sided, since the difference is pretty close, but I think that right now, Dallas is the better team. Especially in the trenches, where it all happens.

 

[kerouac9]

Now, does #1 defense in the league last year = Baltimore's SB defense? Ummmmm...bzzzzt. Not even close. Defenses are better or worse year to year, and Baltimore's SB defense was by far better than last years Cowboy defense.

This is better. Even you have to admit that your analysis blew. Sorry you had to be called out on it.

The difference between the 2003 Cowboys and the 2000 Ravens was that the Ravens had a dominating running game, and the Cowboys did not. If you put Jamal Lewis on the Cowboys, do you really think that team doesn't run to the SB? B-more had a historic D in 2000, but #1 ranked is #1 ranked.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

I believe I read something that said Henson is starting. I'm pretty sure he is starting this year

 

[Russ Smith]

I believe I read something that said Henson is starting. I'm pretty sure he is starting this year

Not that this year, even I wouldn't start him this year and I'm borderline
obsessed with the guy if you ask some people here (-:

 

[schel]

Dallas the #1 defense last year? This is based on yardage right? I think it should be based on points given up by a defense, not yards. Don't the Patriots have the best defense by points? Ehh, whatever, both defenses were good.

 

[kerouac9]

Dallas the #1 defense last year? This is based on yardage right? I think it should be based on points given up by a defense, not yards. Don't the Patriots have the best defense by points? Ehh, whatever, both defenses were good.

#1 in yardage. #2 in points. #3 against the run. #1 against the pass.

Oddly, they were 13th in the NFC in turnovers.