So do we start Beck?

[Cardinal88]

Harry/Oaken1, thank you for the justifications. I hope it works out, I'm tired of seeing the Cardinals rewrite history with the same story over and over again. The team just needs a break and I'm hoping Beck can be the guy to change decades of history.

 

[dscher]

Will we? No. Should we? Yes.

Cards stuff.

 

[PACardsFan]

The Vikings still WON 9 GAMES. The Lions still WON 9 GAMES. The Packers MADE THE PLAYOFFS.

And YOU specifically last year blathered on and on about how we were building "the right way" and finally in YEAR 3 WE COULD COMPETE WITH THOSE TEAMS. YOU talked about how we had built great depth and had amazing drafts. That means we should have been able to deal with injuries as they did no? Not only did we not deal with injuries anywhere close to them, we ended up with THE WORST RECORD IN FOOTBALL.

I mean, what you're basically saying is that our roster construction was pathetic and we relied too heavily on the draft and unproven players and after 3 years of a rebuild, we had really rebuilt very little. Yay.

Your 1st paragraph alone buries your entire script. Injuries alone destroyed all 3 of these teams seasons. Do you really think that after winning 14 games each, that the Vikings & Lions were content with 9 wins and not making the playoffs?? And the Packers lost their last 5 games, one of them being a playoff game. If you don’t see how injuries affected these teams, then we’ll flat out have to agree to disagree.

As far as the Cardinals injuries are concerned, they just had way too many of them for their YOUNG depth to overcome. Even early on, when injuries still affected them, but were not catastrophic, they easily could have started the season 7-0. Even with some injuries, last year’s team could have and would have won 10+ games. Great depth and available depth are sadly 2 different things. The Cardinals didn’t lose because we had crappy depth, we lost because the injuries never stopped mounting & very good depth turned into unavailable depth.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I am certain Beck is not an NFL starting QB. He might be a backup. The most certain way to be sure he isn’t even that is to start him.

He'll start at some point to make sure the Cards lock up the #1 overall pick next year.

 

[Stout]

He'll start at some point to make sure the Cards lock up the #1 overall pick next year.

Precisely. IMO he needs to be starting mid-season or we'll start hearing Monti nonsense about how we don't know enough about him when it comes to taking a QB next year.

 

[Chopper0080]

You can't play him if he isn't ready but if he isn't ready, it was such a waste.

 

[Gandhi]

As for letting him start, I'm against it. Very few college QBs are ready to hit the ground in the first season. He still needs to develop

What does he need to learn, C88? He is an old rookie and has a ton of experience in the biggest games in NCAA. He has played for seven years in pro style-offenses with NFL terminology; play calls, protection calls and so on. He has seen tons of creative defenses in both the SEC and ACC. His biggest problem is post-snap, and how is he going to be better at that by not experiencing those snaps?

I selected Beck in my mock draft specifically with the explanation that he is most likely the most pro-ready of all the options in the draft, including Mendoza. Potential is something else, but mechanical and mentally I think he is ready from week one.

 

[Stout]

You can't play him if he isn't ready but if he isn't ready, it was such a waste.

This is my nightmare. He doesn't start, we suck again, and Monti comes out with this "He'll be ready next season because he needed a season to learn" nonsense as we pass on drafting a QBOTF.

 

[some dumb guy]

MLF needs to start whichever QB is best during camp/preseason to give us half a chance. If it's not Beck, wait until things start going south and then throw him to the wolves.

 

[kerouac9]

This is my nightmare. He doesn't start, we suck again, and Monti comes out with this "He'll be ready next season because he needed a season to learn" nonsense as we pass on drafting a QBOTF.

I understand this is your fear, but what in Monti’s track record justifies that fear?

Monti cut bait on Demond Ridder and then Clayton Tune. You can say those guys sucked and that’d be true, but it’s not like Monti waited around to find out or confirm with the fan base.

 

[Chopper0080]

I understand this is your fear, but what in Monti’s track record justifies that fear?

Monti cut bait on Demond Ridder and then Clayton Tune. You can say those guys sucked and that’d be true, but it’s not like Monti waited around to find out or confirm with the fan base.

Especially when he was willing to cut Kyler and eat a ton of dead money without a tangible plan at QB in place. LOssenfort has never met a pick of his he wasn't willing to replace with a more valuable pick one or two years later.

 

[Stout]

I understand this is your fear, but what in Monti’s track record justifies that fear?

Monti cut bait on Demond Ridder and then Clayton Tune. You can say those guys sucked and that’d be true, but it’s not like Monti waited around to find out or confirm with the fan base.

Just general incompetence.

 

[Chopper0080]

Just general incompetence.

Nice to see he was promoted from major. Bidwill loves to promote his "yes" men.

 

[mel typer]

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What does he need to learn, C88? He is an old rookie and has a ton of experience in the biggest games in NCAA. He has played for seven years in pro style-offenses with NFL terminology; play calls, protection calls and so on. He has seen tons of creative defenses in both the SEC and ACC. His biggest problem is post-snap, and how is he going to be better at that by not experiencing those snaps?

I selected Beck in my mock draft specifically with the explanation that he is most likely the most pro-ready of all the options in the draft, including Mendoza. Potential is something else, but mechanical and mentally I think he is ready from week one.

you heard it first. Mendoza is going to be a busy. Not enough snaps not in the shotgun. Look it up

 

[Cardinal88]

What does he need to learn, C88? He is an old rookie and has a ton of experience in the biggest games in NCAA. He has played for seven years in pro style-offenses with NFL terminology; play calls, protection calls and so on. He has seen tons of creative defenses in both the SEC and ACC. His biggest problem is post-snap, and how is he going to be better at that by not experiencing those snaps?

I selected Beck in my mock draft specifically with the explanation that he is most likely the most pro-ready of all the options in the draft, including Mendoza. Potential is something else, but mechanical and mentally I think he is ready from week one.

I agree he is probably the most ready player. I've been on his bandwagon for months.

The reason I think he should sit first is that it is really difficult to have a kid (even at 24 or 25) face failure at the NFL level. If the team has lost a few games, the transition might be a little easier. A lot is going to be based on who we play early. I'm not interested in sending him out there against any of our divisional games, or Philly, or Denver to start with. They all have very good defenses and can wreck a player both physically and mentally. Just my opinion which doesn't count for much!

 

[slanidrac16]

Would not be shocked to see Beck start on injured reserve for 6 weeks. You know, strained elbow.
This way there s no pressure to start him. If thing go south he can come off injured reserve. Sit for two weeks then name him the starter game 9.

 

[mel typer]

Especially when he was willing to cut Kyler and eat a ton of dead money without a tangible plan at QB in place. LOssenfort has never met a pick of his he wasn't willing to replace with a more valuable pick one or two years later.

Dude I have a good idea. Why don't you buy the AZ Cardinals and show us how it's done?

 

[oaken1]

Nice to see he was promoted from major. Bidwill loves to promote his "yes" men.

9.5/10


So freaking random from you Chop.
Well done sir!

 

[some dumb guy]

Would not be shocked to see Beck start on injured reserve for 6 weeks. You know, strained elbow.
This way there s no pressure to start him. If thing go south he can come off injured reserve. Sit for two weeks then name him the starter game 9.

Oooh, the old Murray IR ploy...I like it

 

[BulldogCard]

Beck wins the job..better than any damn qb on this roster. This team needs better coaching. The others would take our skill guys and run...coaching needs to be better. I like having a Ram. They don't like each other and I can't wait for McVay to get knocked down a few times.

 

[some dumb guy]

9.5/10


So freaking random from you Chop.
Well done sir!

I know, right? First Harry, then Gandhi, K9* slipped in a couple and now chop...like I said, this is going to be a good year!!

*K9 is currently in AZFN lockup and word on the street is, his nickname is Honeybuns...but actual percentages of this being true are not available right now.

Oh, I'm gonna be in so much trouble for that...LOL
I can confirm alcohol was involved in this posting.
I just may be joining him, I'll let ya know

 

[oaken1]

I know, right? First Harry, then Gandhi, K9* slipped in a couple and now chop...like I said, this is going to be a good year!!

*K9 is currently in AZFN lockup and word on the street is, his nickname is Honeybuns...but actual percentages of this being true are not available right now.

Oh, I'm gonna be in so much trouble for that...LOL
I can confirm alcohol was involved in this posting.
I just may be joining him, I'll let ya know

pretty sure the DVOA on Honeybuns is only 7.34
not sure K9 can live with those numbers.

 

[Stout]

Would not be shocked to see Beck start on injured reserve for 6 weeks. You know, strained elbow.
This way there s no pressure to start him. If thing go south he can come off injured reserve. Sit for two weeks then name him the starter game 9.

I'd be apoplectic.

 

[GimmedaBall]

For the life of me I cannot understand why people cannot look at ALL THE FRICKIN INJURIES this team had on BOTH sides of the ball last year to explain why we went 3-14. Even if we had Peyton Manning or Brady in their prime, they may have won 5-6 games last year. We had an extremely young team last year, starters AND backups. We did not have enough experience in the backup department to overcome all the starters that missed games. Some on this board will bring up the Niners again and again and again. But they fail to come to grips with the fact that the Niners had a far more experienced bench to rely on & they had their star HOF RB available to them the entire season. The Cardinals were playing with RB4, 5, 6, and 7 by week 5 or 6. If our RB room this year stays even remotely healthy, any average QB can make this offense work.

On on the same page PACardsfan.

Coaching and Personnel departments that have been in place for a few years have a better handle on the available talent pool over a newbie staff. When it comes to finding someone to ‘plug-and-play’ those mature O and D’s pro-coaches know who to bring in. A mature program develops communication lines with other coaches (college level) and can pick up the phone for referrals when it comes time to shop for replacements.

The large number of injuries overwhelmed the ability to find street FA’s who could come in and play. Knute Rockne and Vince Lombardi would have trouble coaching up the walking wounded roster. In addition, the current Players Agreement limits the pad time once the regular season starts. All those replacements brought in were not getting contact during practice and it showed during games.

JG was overly ambitious with the playbook on D, Recall he pulled the starting D players and had them getting attention as a unit during preseason.. Because the ‘starters’ were off getting schooled, later when the replacement guys had to start they did not have camp time with the 1st unit. It showed especially with our D-player caller. When our vet went down, we had a rookie 'wearing the dot' and trying to make the playcalls and adjustments. Too many times, the adjustments were either not made or not ‘correct.’ That complex D with adjustments made pre-snap were not possible. As the year progressed, LB Simon got better at the job. By that time, the Titanic was going bow-up.

Vets like Buddha were having to cover for the mistakes in coverage made by the CB group—on too many plays, you’d see Buddha trying to come across the field and make the save.

At this point of the season, that Injury list is a legitimate REASON for the awful record. We will see soon enough when our walking wounded return to health and are back on the field if it becomes an EXCUSE for last year. We went from 4 wins to 8 wins with year 3 prospects of going over .500 and maybe the playoffs. That improvement progression was sidetracked by injuries. Let’s see if a healthy roster continues the improvement track or simply verifies that 3-14 record as a true reading of the team.

Besides seeing KM out the door and allowing CC and Thompson to walk, MO did not make any major player changes. We are into year 4 with his guys, his roster. Is Beck the answer at QB? Can JB be more than a backup and mentor? Let’s see some ‘KW-ML’ head-to-head for our starter.

 

[Chopper0080]

Dude I have a good idea. Why don't you buy the AZ Cardinals and show us how it's done?

Gonna go buy a powerball ticket now.