Should Ayton be Traded?

[AZ Native]

Well, he can afford the best.

 

[Raindog]

I wonder what all this chatter about him being worthless is doing to DA's already fragile confidence.

Yeah, I've been wondering the same. Surely he is not so embedded in a bubble that he hasn't heard the running commentary on how little other teams want him and how much fans here (and around the league) generally disrespect him? If all that can't motivate him, I don't know if anything can.

 

[taz02]

If he retreats into a shell, we are screwed. If he uses it to motivate himself, combined with Monty and Paul being gone, there is a chance. I'm not betting on it, but we would be unstoppable.

 

[nashman]

Vogel needs to sit down with him! Tell him your plans and how this team would be damn near unstoppable if you just bust your ass and do your job as I teach you! If at the Allstar break you really don’t want to be a part of what could be a very special team, your value you would be high if you really wanted to leave I’m sure the team would facilitate you! But if you just put the same effort as your teammates do we would be great and you probably could be an Allstar if you just bust your ass. If he doesn’t buy in on it then you know you have a weak headcase that’s worthless and his contract may be hanging around our neck until we find a sucker…

 

[Yuma]

Vogel needs to sit down with him! Tell him your plans and how this team would be damn near unstoppable if you just bust your ass and do your job as I teach you! If at the Allstar break you really don’t want to be a part of what could be a very special team, your value you would be high if you really wanted to leave I’m sure the team would facilitate you! But if you just put the same effort as your teammates do we would be great and you probably could be an Allstar if you just bust your ass. If he doesn’t buy in on it then you know you have a weak headcase that’s worthless and his contract may be hanging around our neck until we find a sucker…

I don't doubt he can do it. My doubt is if he can sustain it. When KD trade went through, the first couple games he played unreal. Then he settled back into his season's norm. He has the skill, size, and athleticism. He just needs the motor and the will.

 

[Proximo]

I don't doubt he can do it. My doubt is if he can sustain it. When KD trade went through, the first couple games he played unreal. Then he settled back into his season's norm. He has the skill, size, and athleticism. He just needs the motor and the will.

Yeah, this seems about right, unfortunately

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm really not so sure? At times, he seems ultra sensitive and at other times he seems oblivious to the real world.

Agreed. I also think there’s a touch of false bravado in a lot of his chest pounding.

 

[Hoop Head]

I didn't go there because after June 30th, it would have to be a one for one trade since we are blasting through the second apron. Right now we could do a one to many trade for DA. That's the only scenario that makes sense for us, is if we get two guys that would slot ideally in the 4-5 spots on our team, or 4-8 range. If we are taking guys that have to battle it out with who we had last season, that's not really helping. I think we get past June 30th, DA is likely to be here for a long time. Unless Bam Adebeyo wants out of Miami to go to PHX only.

It doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 trade after June 30th. Since we're an apron team we can't aggregate salaries to trade for a larger salaried player but we can trade a larger salaried player for a combination of lesser contracts.

For example we can't trade Ayton with Payne for someone making $40m a year but we can trade Ayton for multiple players who combine to reach within 110% of Ayton's salary.

 

[nashman]

It doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 trade after June 30th. Since we're an apron team we can't aggregate salaries to trade for a larger salaried player but we can trade a larger salaried player for a combination of lesser contracts.

For example we can't trade Ayton with Payne for someone making $40m a year but we can trade Ayton for multiple players who combine to reach within 110% of Ayton's salary.

Probably what they are waiting for…

 

[Muggz]

Ayton will ball under Vogel. Avg 25 and 12 and 2 but they WILL trade him midseason for what will amount to nothing, and when you ALL come back here crying about it I've got the names.

 

[Yuma]

I am also unclear on the guys we have bird's rights on. Do they not count towards the luxury tax or apron?

 

[Mainstreet]

I am also unclear on the guys we have bird's rights on. Do they not count towards the luxury tax or apron?

The Suns are allowed to sign their own players with bird rights and veteran minimum players regardless of the tax apron as I understand it.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm thinking Ayton's value is similar to John Collins. If true, they have to keep him.

 

[elindholm]

I wonder what all this chatter about him being worthless is doing to DA's already fragile confidence.

I bet he's DeFlayton.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I bet he's DeFlayton.

Or maybe HibernAyton.

 

[nashman]

Ayton will ball under Vogel. Avg 25 and 12 and 2 but they WILL trade him midseason for what will amount to nothing, and when you ALL come back here crying about it I've got the names.

If he hits those averages we win a title and he wouldn’t even be in trade talks hah…

 

[Sparky16]

Ayton will ball under Vogel. Avg 25 and 12 and 2 but they WILL trade him midseason for what will amount to nothing, and when you ALL come back here crying about it I've got the names.

How is he going to avg 25 on 6-8 shots with zero FT attempts?

 

[Covert Rain]

Ayton will ball under Vogel. Avg 25 and 12 and 2 but they WILL trade him midseason for what will amount to nothing, and when you ALL come back here crying about it I've got the names.

How is Ayton going to average 25 with Book, KD and Beal taking most of the shots?!?! Don't worry, when that doesn't happen we got receipts too.

 

[BirdGangThing]

If Ayton averages 25 of anything it'll be less than 25 minutes a game

 

[Mainstreet]

It appears the Suns and Dallas were in trade talks involving Deandre Ayton for Tim Hardaway Jr., Rachaun Holmes and JaVale McGee but talks broke down because the Suns didn't have any interest in McGee.

Mavs, Suns Held Advanced Draft Night Talks On Deandre Ayton Trade

Mavs, Suns Held Advanced Draft Night Talks On Deandre Ayton Trade - RealGM Wiretap

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[Proximo]

It appears the Suns and Dallas were in trade talks involving Deandre Ayton for Tim Hardaway Jr., Rachaun Holmes and JaVale McGee but talks broke down because the Suns didn't have any interest in McGee.

Mavs, Suns Held Advanced Draft Night Talks On Deandre Ayton Trade

Mavs, Suns Held Advanced Draft Night Talks On Deandre Ayton Trade - RealGM Wiretap

basketball.realgm.com

Really. Holmes and Hardaway Jr.? That's a pretty weak return.

There must really not be much interest. It will be interesting once teams miss out on their free agent targets they might be more willing to make a better offer for Ayton just to make a change.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Really. Holmes and Hardaway Jr.? That's a pretty weak return.

There must really not be much interest. It will be interesting once teams miss out on their free agent targets they might be more willing to make a better offer for Ayton just to make a change.

Yeah, that deal would have been pathetic.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Ayton will ball under Vogel. Avg 25 and 12 and 2 but they WILL trade him midseason for what will amount to nothing, and when you ALL come back here crying about it I've got the names.

There is no way Ayton could average 25 on next year's roster unless someone is injured. There are just not that many points to go around. We have 3 25 point scorers already. If Ayton averages 12 and 12-13 with 2 blocks and solid D and great efficiency, he will be a fantastic contributor to this team.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If we're just getting crap offers like what Dallas put up, it makes more sense to see if Vogel can be an Ayton whisperer. Even if he's still the same big disappointment, we'll likely get a similar garbage return to what we're seeing now.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah, that deal would have been pathetic.

It had to include picks.