Shin-Soo Choo - CF - any interest

[sundevil04]

According to Burns and Gambo we might be players for Choo and his .423 OBP. They also say he'll be overpaid. Considering that, would you have any interest?

That could free up Eaton and/or Pollack to be dealt with pitching prospects for a power bat

 

[Brian]

According to Burns and Gambo we might be players for Choo and his .423 OBP. They also say he'll be overpaid. Considering that, would you have any interest?

That could free up Eaton and/or Pollack to be dealt with pitching prospects for a power bat

If I recall, Choo can't hit lefties but other than that, he's a very good all around player.

Would not mind seeing Pollock get dealt. Ok role player but in reality he seems like a AAAA kind of ball player.

 

[sundevil04]

I was on board with it until they said he's looking for a 100 mil contract. At 31 NO THANKS

 

[BC867]

I am still wondering why Gibson didn't give Tony Campana more of a chance in CF near the end of the season. We already knew what Eaton and Pollock can or can't do.

Even though it was based on only 54 plate appearances, Campana's on-base percent was 2nd only to Goldy on the team. On paper and in person, he made things happen when he got on base ahead of our one heart-of-the-batting-order hitter.

Does anyone have an idea why Campana was brought up to rot on the bench? If it was to be used as a pinch runner, somebody wasn't looking at the big picture.

 

[sfrancis13]

I am still wondering why Gibson didn't give Tony Campana more of a chance in CF near the end of the season. We already knew what Eaton and Pollock can or can't do.

Even though it was based on only 54 plate appearances, Campana's on-base percent was 2nd only to Goldy on the team. On paper and in person, he made things happen when he got on base ahead of our one heart-of-the-batting-order hitter.

Does anyone have an idea why Campana was brought up to rot on the bench? If it was to be used as a pinch runner, somebody wasn't looking at the big picture.

How exactly do we know what Eaton and Pollock can or can't do yet we don't know what Campana can do?

Eaton has 380 PA (.254/.332/.373) in the majors and has been in pro ball since 2010. Pollock has 575 PA (.265/.320/.406) and been in pro ball since 2009. Campana has 401 PA (.262/.315/.300) and been in pro ball since 2008. Campana sucks. There is a reason he didn't play. He can't get on base, has no power, and can't draw a walk to save his life. Also, don't get worked up about 54 plate appearances. That is about 10 games worth of data. You can't make any judgement off a sample size that small.

As for Choo, he can't play center field. He is purely as right fielder and at 31 there is no way in hell I pay a guy $15-$20 mil a year for 5 or 6 years.

 

[overseascardfan]

Scott Boras is his agent, meaning he is out of ARZ's price range.

 

[Lefty]

Would not be surprised to see Towers waste more money on aging players.

 

[82CardsGrad]

There is no logic behind paying Choo the type of money he will demand... None.
Campana? He is a triple A player at best. A career platoon, limited time major leaguer.
Eaton has a TON to prove and if it were me, I would not waste much more time on him. Pollack is the best and most consistent CF we have on the team, and yet he is nowhere near good enough.
But man I hope KT stays far away from Choo!!


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[sundevil04]

I hope Towers doesn't clear the shelves in our minor league system and mortgage our future with big contract in an attempt to win now and save face.

 

[BC867]

How exactly do we know what Eaton and Pollock can or can't do yet we don't know what Campana can do?

Well, excuuuuuuse me! I didn't state the answer. I raised the question.

I am still wondering why Gibson didn't give Tony Campana more of a chance in CF near the end of the season. We already knew what Eaton and Pollock can or can't do.

...............G......AB...,...ON-BASE %

Pollock....137....443......... .322

Eaton.......66.....250......... .314

Campana..29......46......... .370

We are talking about finding a leadoff hitter, whether it is the idea of Choo or someone from within our own organization.

Once again, why wasn't Campana given a chance once our playoff chances disappeared?

 

[sfrancis13]

Well, excuuuuuuse me! I didn't state the answer. I raised the question.



...............G......AB...,...ON-BASE %

Pollock....137....443......... .322

Eaton.......66.....250......... .314

Campana..29......46......... .370

We are talking about finding a leadoff hitter, whether it is the idea of Choo or someone from within our own organization.

Once again, why wasn't Campana given a chance once our playoff chances disappeared?

Because he has a history and it is quite ugly. Stop using 54 plate appearances as any example of what he can do. His career OBP is .315. In pretty much the same at bats Eaton's is .332. In the minors Campana's OBP is .356 over the course of 6 years. Eaton's is .450 over 4. Add all that to the fact that Eaton is 3 years younger and you get your answer as to why Campana isn't getting a chance. He has already had one and proven he is nothing more than a pinch runner.

 

[Phrazbit]

Campana, even on his hits, could hardly get the ball out of the infield. The guy is not an every day major league player, and his outfield arm made Gonzo look like a cannon.

As for Choo... no... please god no. Another guy entering his 30s who just had one of his best seasons while playing in an extremely hitter friendly park with a ton of protection around him. The thought of paying him 15-20 mil... forget that, even 10 million a year on a 5 year deal... is stomach turning.

I would be happiest if Towers did virtually nothing this offseason except try to fix the pen. Every single big money move he has made has been disastrous, making the team older, worse and more expensive. We still have some key pieces of the once mighty minor league system he inherited, let them blossom... please.

 

[sundevil04]

Another guy entering his 30s.

Scary thing is he'll actually be 32 next season

 

[Diamondback Jay]

On paper and ability, yes. He is a perennial .400 OBP (which you all know I swear by) and 20 homer guy who would fit very nicely in this line up. In terms of him having a career year in a hitter friendly ballpark, not really. If you look at his stats in five of the last six years and each one he played over 150 games in, his stats were pretty on par with his average. His OBP was higher, from the .390 range to .423
0 range but even taking that upswing out, he's still going to have a pretty incredible OBP and 20-20 is likely.

That said, he's going to want over 20 million a season. I don't know if I'm nuts about that kind of money being handed out to a 32 year old to be.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

If I recall, Choo can't hit lefties but other than that, he's a very good all around player.

Would not mind seeing Pollock get dealt. Ok role player but in reality he seems like a AAAA kind of ball player.

He's not too bad against lefties but his d is atrocious. If moved to LF, that isn't an issue though.

 

[Brian]

He's not too bad against lefties but his d is atrocious. If moved to LF, that isn't an issue though.

Sorry Jay, but he hits .215 against lefties and slugs a mere .265 against them. Last year he had 21 home runs vs. righties and 0 against lefties.

In a division where you are facing Kershaw, Ryu, Baumgardner, Stults etc.....no thanks.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Sorry Jay, but he hits .215 against lefties and slugs a mere .265 against them. Last year he had 21 home runs vs. righties and 0 against lefties.

In a division where you are facing Kershaw, Ryu, Baumgardner, Stults etc.....no thanks.

I re-read his stat breakdown.. You are right. Agree. No dice.

 

[Brian]

Well, according to Nick Piecoro and Ken Rosenthal KT is re-visiting this.

Ugh. See two posts above this as to why not.

Apparently they have re-opened the Skaggs for Trumbo talk also.

I like Trumbo's power but he seems like Mark Reynolds 2.0

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Terrified to see what Towers will do to further mess this team up.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Terrified to see what Towers will do to further mess this team up.

Just curious... What would you do this offseason?


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[Diamondback Jay]

Skaggs and Cahill is Los Angeles' asking price for Trumbo. Is it worth it in everyone's opinion?

 

[Brian]

Just curious... What would you do this offseason?


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I know the question wasn't directed at me, but I posted on here during the season when Chicago was having their fire sale: Get Nate Schierholtz. He rakes at Chase Field and murders right handed pitching. He could probably be had for diddly-squat. He hit .583 at Chase Field.

Granted, it's a small sample size but again, he could probably be acquired for almost nothing.

Next, I go all in for David Price. Anything outside of Bradley. Get it done.

Price, Corbin and Miley vs. Kershaw, Greinke and Ryu. I'll take my chances with that.

Pull off a trade for the Twins closer (which I said last season...MIN needs infield help) or go after the FA former A's closer.

Forget these big name guys like Choo and Trumbo. There are players very similar that would demand alot less.

Jesus, I sound like Billy Beane all of a sudden.

 

[Phrazbit]

Skaggs and Cahill is Los Angeles' asking price for Trumbo. Is it worth it in everyone's opinion?

No. He is a bad fielder with a .299 OBP. Unless he is hitting the ball out of the park he provides noting for your team. The guy is not worth a high level prospect.

 

[Brian]

Skaggs and Cahill is Los Angeles' asking price for Trumbo. Is it worth it in everyone's opinion?

McCarthy, Cahill, and Putz are making a combined 18 million.

18 friggin' million for what? Unload any of those idiots and I'm all for it. My only (and biggest) problem being Trumbo's K rate and abysmal OBP. Where do you put him? Ahead of or behind Goldy?

My gut says ahead, bat him in the 3 hole and bat Goldy 4th, but I don't know.

To answer your question I have no problem unloading Skaggs and Cahill, so if that is the asking price pull the trigger. How long is Trumbo under team control?

 

[Brian]

No. He is a bad fielder with a .299 OBP. Unless he is hitting the ball out of the park he provides noting for your team. The guy is not worth a high level prospect.

The man can slug, no doubt about it. As I said before, we are looking at Mark Reynolds again. I just don't mind unloading Cahill's contract.