Roster competition

[Hoop Head]

Labeling positions is tough nowadays. It's not as simple as G, F, C or PG, SG, SF, PF, C either.

We have combo guards, wings, and bigs. Running Book, Green, Brooks, Fleming, and Malauch gives us 2 combo guards, 2 wings, and a big. The roster construction is better as we have more versatility going forward and size.

 

[Mainstreet]

Labeling positions is tough nowadays. It's not as simple as G, F, C or PG, SG, SF, PF, C either.

We have combo guards, wings, and bigs. Running Book, Green, Brooks, Fleming, and Malauch gives us 2 combo guards, 2 wings, and a big. The roster construction is better as we have more versatility going forward and size.

Except for a few players, I'm looking at the Suns roster in terms of wings and bigs.

Also, guard, forward and center would be another way.

The center position is defined with Mark Williams, Nick Richards and Khaman Maluach, while the point guard position is more clearly defined by Collin Gillespie.

 

[Proximo]

Funny that you see that as a "problem."

You don't?

The game is about spacing - currently not one of our 4 centers can shoot outside of 15 feet efficiently enough that you want them to take those shots. That means they can't play together.

Since there is only at most 48 minutes of non shooter minutes - having 4 players like that is not good roster construction.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You don't?

The game is about spacing - currently not one of our 4 centers can shoot outside of 15 feet efficiently enough that you want them to take those shots. That means they can't play together.

Since there is only at most 48 minutes of non shooter minutes - having 4 players like that is not good roster construction.

I don't see this as that big of an issue. Oso's passing makes him a floor spacer in the pf position when he is on the court, he also can score out to 15 feet, but in a very ugly manner. We don't even know about Maluach, but I think he has the ability to score out to 15 feet. Williams doesn't take many shots outside of the key, but seems fairly effective in the very few times he does.

But most importantly, I don't think we are keeping all four. We also have Fleming that will be the one we really want to look at for the four position.

 

[Chaplin]

You don't?

The game is about spacing - currently not one of our 4 centers can shoot outside of 15 feet efficiently enough that you want them to take those shots. That means they can't play together.

Since there is only at most 48 minutes of non shooter minutes - having 4 players like that is not good roster construction.

We have 4 centers that are all NBA players (even if marginally) and yet you still find it worth bitching about. Crazy. It's a pretty good problem to have IMO. Now, if you want to talk about the lack of a traditional power forward, then fine. But how many of those actually exist anymore?

 

[leclerc]

I am happy we have four decent centers. I doubt Mark Williams will play much, so it's more like three. I'd like to bitch a bit about the lack of a real PF. Fleming needs time and positive experiences. Hayes Davis needs to settle down a bit. Hope we can trade O'Neale, Allen, etc for a rotation PF. We are too small again as usual.

 

[Goldfield]

You don't?

The game is about spacing - currently not one of our 4 centers can shoot outside of 15 feet efficiently enough that you want them to take those shots. That means they can't play together.

Since there is only at most 48 minutes of non shooter minutes - having 4 players like that is not good roster construction.

Depends on how healthy Mark Williams can be. I doubt the roster is complete yet.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am happy we have four decent centers. I doubt Mark Williams will play much, so it's more like three. I'd like to bitch a bit about the lack of a real PF. Fleming needs time and positive experiences. Hayes Davis needs to settle down a bit. Hope we can trade O'Neale, Allen, etc for a rotation PF. We are too small again as usual.

Fleming is prototypical pf size. I am game to give him the minutes and see what he can do. He is not really a liability in any aspect of the game, at least on the college level. He can score inside and out, he can shoot, he can move without the ball, he plays very aggressive D according to other players on the team, and he rebounds reasonably well.

 

[95pro]

I am happy we have four decent centers. I doubt Mark Williams will play much, so it's more like three. I'd like to bitch a bit about the lack of a real PF. Fleming needs time and positive experiences. Hayes Davis needs to settle down a bit. Hope we can trade O'Neale, Allen, etc for a rotation PF. We are too small again as usual.

For years we wanted a center, we finally acquired Gortat, is who i can think of that was our first prototypical center we long sought after. After some evolution of the game long athletic centers became the norm and we were behind once again! Ayton didn't help, McGee was a little past his prime and was the closest thing to a modern day center. Then we went with slow, lumbering (by todays standards) and unathletic centers in Plumlee and Nurk. Now we have 3 legit centers and Oso. I do not see how this is a problem as differences between the centers are dynamic enough in that they all have slightly different skills they excel at.

 

[JCSunsfan]

For years we wanted a center, we finally acquired Gortat, is who i can think of that was our first prototypical center we long sought after. After some evolution of the game long athletic centers became the norm and we were behind once again! Ayton didn't help, McGee was a little past his prime and was the closest thing to a modern day center. Then we went with slow, lumbering (by todays standards) and unathletic centers in Plumlee and Nurk. Now we have 3 legit centers and Oso. I do not see how this is a problem as differences between the centers are dynamic enough in that they all have slightly different skills they excel at.

MY only problem is if Oso keeps getting lots of minutes. I just don't see a future for him with that shot.

 

[95pro]

MY only problem is if Oso keeps getting lots of minutes. I just don't see a future for him with that shot.

I already hate the minutes he's been given in preseason.

 

[Proximo]

We have 4 centers that are all NBA players (even if marginally) and yet you still find it worth bitching about. Crazy. It's a pretty good problem to have IMO. Now, if you want to talk about the lack of a traditional power forward, then fine. But how many of those actually exist anymore?

The only reason I am bitching about it is apparently the 4th one kept Butler off the roster, a guy that can go off for 30 points on any given night. I don't think we have anyone on our bench that can really do that, or is good at all at getting their own shot.

 

[Proximo]

I already hate the minutes he's been given in preseason.

Better get used to it. I get the impression Ott really values his mobility on offense and his ability to guard the perimeter on switches.

I understand your frustration, his ineptitude at being able to score outside of 5 feet really bothers me too. Maybe it gets better, he has clearly improved over last season, so that says something.

 

[Hoop Head]

At least Oso is more useful than Ish Wainwright

 

[BirdGangThing]

Better get used to it. I get the impression Ott really values his mobility on offense and his ability to guard the perimeter on switches.

I understand your frustration, his ineptitude at being able to score outside of 5 feet really bothers me too. Maybe it gets better, he has clearly improved over last season, so that says something.

ott likely doesn’t care where oso scores from - a good shooting percentage is all that matters - oso made 113 out of 187 attempts in his rookie year - that's a little over 60% and that's going to improve - plus he's a 7 footer who can jump thru the roof on offense or defense

oso's real problem is boxing out and rebounding against bigger heavier bodies - he's never had to play for position against 35 year old 270 lb men - if he can learn how to rebound in traffic oso will be oso fine

 

[Mainstreet]

ott likely doesn’t care where oso scores from - a good shooting percentage is all that matters - oso made 113 out of 187 attempts in his rookie year - that's a little over 60% and that's going to improve - plus he's a 7 footer who can jump thru the roof on offense or defense

oso's real problem is boxing out and rebounding against bigger heavier bodies - he's never had to play for position against 35 year old 270 lb men - if he can learn how to rebound in traffic oso will be oso fine

Mostly agree, but Oso needs to make free throws to stay on the court.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Mostly agree, but Oso needs to make free throws to stay on the court.

58% is not going to cut it

 

[Mainstreet]

58% is not going to cut it

I think a 60% free throw average is about the top percentage Oso will produce.

That may be good enough except for closing out games if he corrects blocking out as you mentioned.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I think a 60% free throw average is about the top percentage Oso will produce.

That may be good enough except for closing out games if he corrects blocking out as you mentioned.

had a coach in school - if anybody shot less than 50% free throws they had to shoot granny style - everybody practiced their free throws lol

 

[Mainstreet]

had a coach in school - if anybody shot less than 50% free throws they had to shoot granny style - everybody practiced their free throws lol

I'm surprised Oso is shooting .580 from the free throw line with the form on his shot.

 

[Hoop Head]

I respect it

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[Chaplin]

The only reason I am bitching about it is apparently the 4th one kept Butler off the roster, a guy that can go off for 30 points on any given night. I don't think we have anyone on our bench that can really do that, or is good at all at getting their own shot.

Blaming Oso for not keeping Butler. Got it. Lol

 

[95pro]

ott likely doesn’t care where oso scores from - a good shooting percentage is all that matters - oso made 113 out of 187 attempts in his rookie year - that's a little over 60% and that's going to improve - plus he's a 7 footer who can jump thru the roof on offense or defense

oso's real problem is boxing out and rebounding against bigger heavier bodies - he's never had to play for position against 35 year old 270 lb men - if he can learn how to rebound in traffic oso will be oso fine

Oso is not 7’

Maybe 6-9

 

[BirdGangThing]

Oso is not 7’

Maybe 6-9

so he wears like 3" lifts or something

 

[95pro]

so he wears like 3" lifts or something

Yeah

It’s also been talked about by media that’s he’s not close to 7’