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I also think it goes to what seems to be Bidwill's spending directive which is apparently "don't spend as I am going to have to cut a fat check for Kyler".

Ultimately outside of DL and C (depending on Hudson), I am good to take this roster into the season and see what happens. The NFC is pretty crappy right now so what we have this year is good enough to compete if Kyler can play like he will be getting paid. And, if he can't, we are stuck overpaying him and will be a fringe playoff team for the entirety of his contract.

Our roster issues are less 2022 and more 2023.
Like almost no starting OL under contract :)
 

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What sucks Chopper is that the NFC appears crappy right now and it does not appear the Cards are capable of going all out to take advantage of that for whatever reason past bad drafts and player snafus (insert D-Hop and Hudson)... oops, those are the reasons lol
If Kyler is good, he should cover some of the roster holes vs NFC teams. But this is what makes a top QB. Can you be competitive with average talent.

I still think 9 wins is the number unless things go off the rails.
 

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If Kyler is good, he should cover some of the roster holes vs NFC teams.
A QB is not going to cover a lack of pass rush, lack of defending the run, & a lack of coverage.

Herbert is a tier above Kyler, probably even two, but that didn’t stop the Chargers from missing the playoffs despite brilliant play from Herbert for most of the season.

A QB is not going to cover up massive defensive holes.

And I honestly think you’re being generous with “average” talent.
 

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If Kyler is good, he should cover some of the roster holes vs NFC teams. But this is what makes a top QB. Can you be competitive with average talent.

I still think 9 wins is the number unless things go off the rails.
I am looking at seven wins because I think the interior of our OL is going to be that bad while our DL is going to let teams run on us at will, setting them up to do whatever they want. I do not think Kyler, no matter if he's Mighty Mouse, can overcome a team which is pathetic on the DL/OL. Football is still a physical sport, and it starts upfront. The play at the trenches are going to have to prove to me they are at least average for me to think otherwise
 

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A QB is not going to cover a lack of pass rush, lack of defending the run, & a lack of coverage.

Herbert is a tier above Kyler, probably even two, but that didn’t stop the Chargers from missing the playoffs despite brilliant play from Herbert for most of the season.

A QB is not going to cover up massive defensive holes.

And I honestly think you’re being generous with “average” talent.
Against good QBs, we are going to struggle to stop anyone. We have eight games against pretty garbage QBs, four of those in our own division. That is something Kyler should be able to overcome because those defenses aren't great either. He might have to win some shoot-outs but top QBs are asked to do that. Outside of Hudson our line is largely the same. Our weapons at WR are better, TE is better, and RB slightly worse. No reason for Kyler not to be able to move the ball outside top pass rushing fronts.

Vs the Broncos. raiders, Vikings and Chiefs, those defenses shouldn't care Kyler either and again, he will have to put up points but there isn't a reason he shouldn't.

I might change my mind depending on the direction the Cardinals go if Hudson never returns, but for right now, we are heavy on offensive talent and will just need our young QB to take a step.
 

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I am looking at seven wins because I think the interior of our OL is going to be that bad while our DL is going to let teams run on us at will, setting them up to do whatever they want. I do not think Kyler, no matter if he's Mighty Mouse, can overcome a team which is pathetic on the DL/OL. Football is still a physical sport, and it starts upfront. The play at the trenches are going to have to prove to me they are at least average for me to think otherwise
Hudson is a mystery, true. But Ill Hernandez is not going to be worse than what we trotted on the field last year at RG. The rest of the group is the same. Better weapons almost all the way around. Hell, compare our personnel to the Chiefs. Loads better. If the gap between Kyler and Pat is that big, might think twice about paying him a similar amount.
 

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Against good QBs, we are going to struggle to stop anyone.
Even against average QBs, it will be a struggle.
We have eight games against pretty garbage QBs, four of those in our own division. That is something Kyler should be able to overcome because those defenses aren't great either. He might have to win some shoot-outs but top QBs are asked to do that.
This is not good logic to me. I will slander Kyler hard if Kyler plays bad and is the main culprit in losses. I will not slander Kyler if he goes out and has a 4/0 350+ yard game, but still resulting in losses because our talentless defense couldn't stop anybody, whether that is Tom Brady or Drew Lock.
Outside of Hudson our line is largely the same.
If Hudson retires, we're much worse at both C and RG. So, no, it is not the same.
Our weapons at WR are better
Despite Hopkins missing 6 games, not fully convinced if Hollywood is that much better than Kirk, if at all, and not knowing if Rondale was under-utilized or just a injury prone gadget-guy.
TE is better
I will say it is real worrying that Eagles reached a higher level offensively once they traded Ertz. TEs take a while to hit their stride so I'm not expecting much out of McBride.
Vs the Broncos. raiders, Vikings and Chiefs, those defenses shouldn't care Kyler either and again, he will have to put up points but there isn't a reason he shouldn't.
The much bigger problem is our defense against their offenses. At full health, our defense would rank last compared all of theirs. I can see a bunch of vs. Miami Dolphins 2020 repeats.
I might change my mind depending on the direction the Cardinals go if Hudson never returns, but for right now, we are heavy on offensive talent and will just need our young QB to take a step.
Kyler can take a step all he wants too. Hell, Kyler can play like a top 5 QB the whole season and I'm still afraid this team won't make the playoffs cause it's so talent-deficient in so many places. Can easily see this team being the 2021 Chargers.
 

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Hudson is a mystery, true. But Ill Hernandez is not going to be worse than what we trotted on the field last year at RG. The rest of the group is the same. Better weapons almost all the way around. Hell, compare our personnel to the Chiefs. Loads better. If the gap between Kyler and Pat is that big, might think twice about paying him a similar amount.
Yeah, you're probably right but after being a Cardinal fan for so long, this off season is just too bizzaro world for me to be rosy about what I see. The catch with Kyler is do we really have an option since these escalating contracts are the nature of the beast and even drafting an average QB (at least for this franchise) is a chore
 

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Hudson is a mystery, true. But Ill Hernandez is not going to be worse than what we trotted on the field last year at RG.
He has been worse for the last couple of years, so I wouldn't be confident in this statement.
Better weapons almost all the way around. Hell, compare our personnel to the Chiefs. Loads better.
Chiefs' OLine takes a crap on our OLine and Kelce would be the best pass-catcher on our team. Juju also won't be playing with washed up rapist anymore and at his best, he is much better than Hollywood.

I think you and a few others are underrated KC on offense.
 

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Even against average QBs, it will be a struggle.

This is not good logic to me. I will slander Kyler hard if Kyler plays bad and is the main culprit in losses. I will not slander Kyler if he goes out and has a 4/0 350+ yard game, but still resulting in losses because our talentless defense couldn't stop anybody, whether that is Tom Brady or Drew Lock.

If Hudson retires, we're much worse at both C and RG. So, no, it is not the same.

Despite Hopkins missing 6 games, not fully convinced if Hollywood is that much better than Kirk, if at all, and not knowing if Rondale was under-utilized or just a injury prone gadget-guy.

I will say it is real worrying that Eagles reached a higher level offensively once they traded Ertz. TEs take a while to hit their stride so I'm not expecting much out of McBride.

The much bigger problem is our defense against their offenses. At full health, our defense would rank last compared all of theirs. I can see a bunch of vs. Miami Dolphins 2020 repeats.

Kyler can take a step all he wants too. Hell, Kyler can play like a top 5 QB the whole season and I'm still afraid this team won't make the playoffs cause it's so talent-deficient in so many places. Can easily see this team being the 2021 Chargers.
You speak of our defense like it is going to be significantly worse than last year but outside of Chandler Jones and Jordan Hicks, who did we lose? Personally, I think the loss of Jones will be impactful but not top 15 to bottom 5 difference. Hicks...meh. Nick Vigil can be a similar player. Secondary is all coming back. Kingsley Keke should give us better production than Jordan Phillips.

I don't believe we will have a great defense by any stretch but our bend don't break scheme will keep it from being terrible.
 

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He has been worse for the last couple of years, so I wouldn't be confident in this statement.

Chiefs' OLine takes a crap on our OLine and Kelce would be the best pass-catcher on our team. Juju also won't be playing with washed up rapist anymore and at his best, he is much better than Hollywood.

I think you and a few others are underrated KC on offense.
The offensive line, Kelce and Pat are the difference. But that said, teams are going to play the Chiefs very differently without Tyreek. Maybe MVS can help but if he wasn't productive with Rodgers, how much better will he be with Mahomes? They have zero running game. They are counting on Mahomes to adapt and make some below average players better behind a very good offensive line. Defense is still trash.
 

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I am looking at seven wins because I think the interior of our OL is going to be that bad while our DL is going to let teams run on us at will, setting them up to do whatever they want. I do not think Kyler, no matter if he's Mighty Mouse, can overcome a team which is pathetic on the DL/OL. Football is still a physical sport, and it starts upfront. The play at the trenches are going to have to prove to me they are at least average for me to think otherwise
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Hudson is a mystery, true. But Ill Hernandez is not going to be worse than what we trotted on the field last year at RG. The rest of the group is the same. Better weapons almost all the way around. Hell, compare our personnel to the Chiefs. Loads better. If the gap between Kyler and Pat is that big, might think twice about paying him a similar amount.
There’s a GAP as you put it between HCs a huge gap!
 

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Hudson is a mystery, true. But Ill Hernandez is not going to be worse than what we trotted on the field last year at RG. The rest of the group is the same. Better weapons almost all the way around. Hell, compare our personnel to the Chiefs. Loads better. If the gap between Kyler and Pat is that big, might think twice about paying him a similar amount.
A OL is only as good as its weakest link and if that happens to be center, then our OL will be a pond for cluster ducks
 

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