Report: Bynum could return before regular season ends

[LV-Suns]

#5 in the league in scoring considering that D-Wade is done for the season. 6th in blocks.





and When was the last time Kobe gave equal effort on both ends?

 

[cobbler]

He fulfills his expectations very well. we expect him to score, rebound, and block shots. He does all of those things very well (6th in the league in scoring (58% from the field), 21st in rebounding, 7th in blocks)

Cant argue with those numbers. However, if he actually put the effort in D as well then he would elevate his game dramatically. No? I think if he did he could be seriously considered a mvp candidate.

 

[cobbler]

#5 in the league in scoring considering that D-Wade is done for the season. 6th in blocks.


and When was the last time Kobe gave equal effort on both ends?

uhhhhhhhhhhh.....pretty much every night guarding the opposing teams best player.


To even compare Kobe and Amare's effort on the defensive end is just plain absurd. Come on.

 

[D-Dogg]

#5 in the league in scoring considering that D-Wade is done for the season. 6th in blocks.





and When was the last time Kobe gave equal effort on both ends?

When was the last time Amare was first team all defense?

Oh, and Kobe gives great defense each night. Especially this season.

 

[nowagimp]

25/10 for 54% vs. 20/6 for 52% is not a huge margin. Lets not forget that Amare had Nash feeding him a lot of bunnies and Gasol had squat in Memphis. Again, i conceede that Amare is the better player, just not a dominating difference, which is what was being commented on.

As for Bynum, of course its early. He could go down again and career could be over in a heartbeat. But his upside is huge. Shaq vs Bynum is a no brainer. If we told you we would trade you Bynum for Shaq right now... you would be salivating and you know it.

Again, the replys were in reference to amare being able to torch the lakers. I say the shaq/amare vs bynum/gasol is basically a wash as was stated by another poster. I simply agree. The mismatch that favors the lakers is the SF and SG positions. You have no answer for Odom/Kobe and i think thats a huge advantage. Of course you get the nod at PG.

1) 6 rpg in the playoff is really paltry for a PF, the difference between 6 and 10 is huge. And 5ppg is a pretty big difference as well.

2) for this year I definitely would not trade shaq for a recovering(?) bynum regardless of PJ's propaganda.

3) I disagree that shaq/bynum, gasol/amare is a wash, bynum hasnt even set foot on the court yet, and even if he did it wouldnt be a wash. Where the lakers have a big advantage is at SG, a more modest one at the SF, and a good one on the bench, and its a net advantage overall. The suns have an advantage at C, a big one at PF, and a a big one at PG. The lakers have a good backup PG, something the suns could sorely use, and that could be the difference right there.

What I dont understand is what koolaid are laker fans drinking that makes them think that bynum will be back this year at anything close to what he was. Next year OK, but this year, drink up guys.

 

[arwillan]

Cant argue with those numbers. However, if he actually put the effort in D as well then he would elevate his game dramatically. No? I think if he did he could be seriously considered a mvp candidate.

definitely agree there, his defense is the only thing that hinders him from being considered the next great power forward after tim duncan.

 

[arwillan]

#5 in the league in scoring considering that D-Wade is done for the season. 6th in blocks.





and When was the last time Kobe gave equal effort on both ends?

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...AME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All Teams

7th in blocks.

 

[nowagimp]

When was the last time Amare was first team all defense?

Where exactly did you read someone claiming amare to be first team all defense?

First team NBA not equal to first team all defense, can we agree on that?

 

[D-Dogg]

Where exactly did you read someone claiming amare to be first team all defense?

First team NBA not equal to first team all defense, can we agree on that?

The guy was inserting Kobe into the equation as to his defensive effort for God knows what reason, justifying Amare not giving equal effort on both ends.

He opened the door.

 

[Covert Rain]

Andrew, do you realize how long ago that was, and how much better Bynum is now and how much Shaq has declined since? I know you are a Shaq fan, but come on man.

Bynum has not done anything over a season yet. He has still yet to prove he can be consistent over an entire season. Also, Shaq's decline is highly overstated (especially by Laker fans). Shaq is actually having a good season this year. He might not have the same arsenal but his impact in a game at the center position is still top 5 among current centers in the NBA. I bet about all but about a few teams would take Shaq as their starting center right now the way he is playing.

When was the last time Amare was first team all defense?

Oh, and Kobe gives great defense each night. Especially this season.

One of his criticism from season to season is that people say he should be better defensively. Whenever people compare Jordan to Kobe they always point out Jordan's defensive accolades to Kobe's. Kobe has been on the All Teams Defensive team 3 times I think which is nothing to scoff at but he has not been consistent from year to year. They say he takes time off defensively.

I have not watched enough of Kobe's games this year to comment on his night in and night out defense this season. However, based on his career so far, I would venture to say that "great" and defense probably shouldn't go hand in hand in when comes to describing Kobe's defensive prowess. At least not until he does it consistently. I think he can be great is more appropriate.

 

[KidPhoenix]

Amare's defense is scoring more than the guy he's covering. Seems alright to me.

 

[LV-Suns]

http://www.nba.com/statistics/playe...AME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All Teams

7th in blocks.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Blocks.jsp

 

[LV-Suns]

uhhhhhhhhhhh.....pretty much every night guarding the opposing teams best player.


To even compare Kobe and Amare's effort on the defensive end is just plain absurd. Come on.

He doesnt cover the opposing teams best player

Usually rests himself on a jump shooter

 

[nowagimp]

The guy was inserting Kobe into the equation as to his defensive effort for God knows what reason, justifying Amare not giving equal effort on both ends.

He opened the door.

This year is the first time in recent memory I saw kobe give equal effort on D. He has always been talented on D, but until his stint with the olympic team, Kobe didnt put out on D. This year is different, he is playing great D.

 

[arwillan]

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Blocks.jsp

i don't know why your list doesn't have Jermaine O'neal, but he is ahead of amare in B.P.G.

 

[arwillan]

He doesnt cover the opposing teams best player

Usually rests himself on a jump shooter

he usually guards tmac, lebron, ginobili, etc. he can't rest right now as ariza is out and kobe has to pick up some of the guys that ariza would usually guard.

 

[D-Dogg]

One of his criticism from season to season is that people say he should be better defensively. Whenever people compare Jordan to Kobe they always point out Jordan's defensive accolades to Kobe's. Kobe has been on the All Teams Defensive team 3 times I think which is nothing to scoff at but he has not been consistent from year to year. They say he takes time off defensively.

They say a lot of things about Kobe.

7-time All-Defensive Selection:

First Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007
Second Team: 2001, 2002

 

[arwillan]

They say a lot of things about Kobe.

7 years in a row, how can anyone argue about his consistency?

 

[D-Dogg]

7 years in a row, how can anyone argue about his consistency?

He did miss 2005 though.

 

[nashman]

Give me a break his name is Kobe that puts him on alot of those all NBA teams, so Marion must be a joke on D since he didn't make alot of those right? Big name players always make these teams, I trust my eyes and Kobe can be very good defensively he just doesn't do it all the time he the same as Amare expends most of his energy on the offensive end.

 

[arwillan]

He did miss 2005 though.

oh woops, my mistake. still, 6/7 is very impressive. Ben wallace was probably the last one to do anything like that.
he got 4 Defensive player of the year awards and 6 straight all defensive team selections if i remember correctly.

 

[Trophytown]

What I dont understand is what koolaid are laker fans drinking that makes them think that bynum will be back this year at anything close to what he was. Next year OK, but this year, drink up guys.

Bynum doesnt have to reach figures in scoring that top 20 ppg.... Gasol or Kobe gives them that. Bynum doesnt have to attain rebounding numbers such as 12 rpg.........Lamar Odom gives the Lakers that. Bynum doesnt even have to impose 2 bpg..........Turiaf off the bench can give them that. Bynum wasnt putting up stratospheric numbers, but his presence in the post and the fact that defenses now HAD to account for him, made Kobe much more lethal. Bynums defensive presence (size and long arms) allowed perimeter players to gamble much more with the understanding that they had an anchor who could block or alter some shots if they relinquished paint penetration.

We're not suggesting that Bynum will be dominant this year. He wasnt even close to dominant before he went down with the injury. What he was before this injury, was a FACTOR. And thats all he needs to be for the balance of the season. Even if that means being a decoy or even a garbage man cleaning up misses on the offensive end.

Bottom line is the Lakers may not have to rely heavily on Bynum to surpass Phoenix in a 7 game series. We already have the horses to run by you as evident with the 3-1 series record this season. Kobe, Gasol, Odom and a deep talented bench along with PJ's coaching is more than enough.

But we'll see.

*takes another sip of some Lakerade

 

[Trophytown]

Give me a break his name is Kobe that puts him on alot of those all NBA teams, so Marion must be a joke on D since he didn't make alot of those right? Big name players always make these teams, I trust my eyes and Kobe can be very good defensively he just doesn't do it all the time he the same as Amare expends most of his energy on the offensive end.

How many all-defensive team nominations does STAT have actually ?

 

[cobbler]

Kool aid? Who said he was comming back 100%?

If he was comming back 100% then i wouldnt be calling it a wash. It would be a advantage lakers. You still cannot handle the odom/kobe situation and as you said... even though Nash is a great guard and give you an advantage there, it is somewhat countered by numbers combined by fisher/farmar.

 

[nowagimp]

7 years in a row, how can anyone argue about his consistency?

You need to look up the definition of "in a row", no mention at all of 2005 is there. Just be objective and you wont look like a laker fan. All you have to do is look up the boxscores of all kobes highest scoring games over the years, and check out the opponents best player. I remember Raja bell scoring 25 or 30 (a guy who averages 14ppg) against kobe when kobe scored 40+. I remember ray allen going off as he and kobe traded baskets when ray was with seattle, and there are many more instances like michael redd etc,. When kobe scores over 40, his D has generally taken the night off in the past. As I said earlier, that has been happening alot less this year, his D has been quite consistent.