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Solar7
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Still, this year we can't realistically get to that spot. I'd be awfully concerned if the Browns or Giants, who desperately need QBs, were so unimpressed by the top two options that they were willing to move back 14-15 spots.
Jetstream Green
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Andrew Luck, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, I'd even argue Carson Palmer and Matthew Stafford. Guys with long track records in school, all of the measureables, and no character flaws. But yeah, they pretty much don't exist.[/QUOTE]
There really is no sure fire players in the draft, but every so often you have guys like Andrew Luck, Patrick Peterson and Adrian Peterson. Rodgers slid in the draft, Brady and guys like Jimmy G who might be the answer. You bet there are going to be at least two stud QBs in the draft and maybe about four solid starters, I really believe this. All quarterbacks are going to come with warts now due to the college programs but they are there. I do not think it comes down to missing out on one at our position will mean we cannot get one. Right QB and coach
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why? there's more than 2 QBs in this draft and there's going to many different ideas on all of them. The Colts and Browns second first rounder are in play. We can't just sit back and continue to hope someone drops in our lap. If there's a guy we want, freaking go get him finally.
the Browns have the #1 and the #4... if they really like a guy like, say... Rudolph, or Mayfield, or Allen.... they can trade away the #1 and still get their guy at#4 and in the process add value to their teams future... it would be a smart move...
Browns could also sign Cousins or Taylor and rack up lots of first round picks trading down. Buffalo has two firsts, they could concievably give up both of them along with next years first to get the 1 or 4 pick if they get rid of Tyrod.
I still think the Browns will sign a FA QB... their new GM wont want to pin his early career on a complete unknown at QB...picking a QB at #1 overall in the draft is a very difficult thing to do,...very high pressure... not to mention they have lots of young players and could use veteran leadership that a good vet QB can provide.
Hell, they could sign a vet,keep their picks...and Grab Barkley and the best OT in the draft.... both of which would help their QB.... Joe Thomas will be retiring soon.
WildBB
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Neither Goff or Wentz were “surefire” QBs, but the Rams and Eagles both sat in similar positions in the draft and did what was needed to get the guys who in just two years, led their teams to the 1 and 3 seed in the NFC.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they have to give it a shot. Especially with a new regime starting out. Paying high dollars for 2nd tier QB's is not the way to become a viable successful franchise.
Cardinals need to be pro active and not settle for whoever falls to them this time in particular.
Solar7
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You really want to give up next year's first, this year's second, and more picks, for the 3rd QB drafted? We can't just mortgage the future for who is likely to be a bust, statistically.
I'm more than happy to take a little bit of a risk and trade a 3rd rounder if we're confident in someone (Mayfield/Rudolph/whoever) to jump in front of the Redskins or some other competing teams, but if we're trying to compete to move ahead of the Broncos and Jets, we're going to have to give up a ton. This is a team that actually needs the picks.
Stout
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No risk it, no biscuit. If you (Keim/the team) don't have the sack to go get your guy, you don't deserve to win.
Now, if they don't have THE guy they want available or a trading partner to trade that high up to, sure, don't do it. But if they don't, AND pass on getting an early QB AGAIN, they're asking to suck.
Jetstream Green
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At least now the rookies salaries will not hamper you if the guy does not pan out. I get your hesitation, but dude, your solution to the QB situation is one of being scared sh!tless to take the initiative and that is not a solution in the NFL... be it the playing field or the draft
Solar7
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The Browns cannot risk skipping a top QB again. They have F'ed it up two years in a row. They keep trading for more picks - these picks need to eventually pan out, be given time to develop, and can't just be replaced with a bulk addition of a bunch of rookies each year. They'll be crucified if they can't pick between the legitimate prospects this year. It's going to happen. It has to happen.
And moving from #15 to #1 just absolutely destroys our future drafts. Where were you guys last year when we could have traded up for Mahomes or Watson?
Giving up all of your future picks to take a stab at the 3rd QB isn't the way to become a viable, successful franchise either. Quick, tell me what teams have had proven success moving up this far for a QB without mentioning the names Goff or Wentz.
Solar7
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I have 2 solutions.
1. Sign Kirk Cousins, "whatever it takes."
2. Sign Keenum/Bradford/Bridgewater/mid-tier FA, draft a young QB between picks 10-15 to be the future.
Jetstream Green
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I am down with two but with a little more pedal to the metal and move into the top ten... but I think a guy will be there at fifteen but I would not take the chance, you get your guy because all those other picks you talk about losing are a risk too
Solar7
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I am down with two but with a little more pedal to the metal and move into the top ten... but I think a guy will be there at fifteen but I would not take the chance, you get your guy because all those other picks you talk about losing are a risk too
I'm on the phone if the guy I like (let's just say Mayfield for now) is on the board and we're getting closer to the Dolphins/Bengals/Redskins, and we can get the right deal in place. Of course that's something you negotiate a little bit beforehand. I definitely don't want to be stuck holding the bag like I feel we were with Watson last year. But I'm passing 100% on moving to 3/4, unless for some mystical reason, the Browns and Giants pass on QBs, or the compensation to move up doesn't involve next year's 1st.
As far as the other picks go, I'd rather have 5 scratch offs for $4 each that give me a chance to win $5-$40 each than one $20 scratch off that could win me $100 or $0.
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This is a team that actually needs a QBOTF and has for 30 years.
Solar7
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And a team that drafted a QB in the 2000s that didn't pan out. Not that I'm saying we should be afraid of drafting one because Leinart didn't pan out - I've been passionate about needing to take a flyer on anyone in the past few drafts after Logan Thomas didn't work out. But I want to be realistic about our chances. I'd honestly have a really bad team that gets a chance at the top pick, or mitigate the risk by not trading away our future.
I really don't want to watch Josh Allen fail for three years and be stuck knowing we don't even have the hope of draft picks fix it. My dad's a Redskins fan. Please no RG3 part 2.
Buckybird
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Sign AJ McCarron & draft Baker the touchdown maker! Sit him for 1-2 years then let’s roll 
