At the risk of opening a whole new line of argument - Does rhe Cardinal organization have an effective program for straightening out PED cheaters? If so, what is it? Is Patrick working within that program? Do any other teams run PED programs that have proved to be more effective, and if so, why haven't the Cards adopted them? My point - What are the Cardinals doing now? I have little or sympathy for Patrick and feel the focus should zero in on (1) what we can get out of him and (2) what programs we can put in place to best help us achieve our goals. What worries me is the degree to which the current team-culture (ownership, mgt, coaches & players) condones (or at the very least accepts) this behavior and, therefore, represents a long-term threat to the well-being of the football team.