OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[DaHilg]

JB exposed a lot of the flaws in Kyler.

He showed that a QB could stay in the pocket, understand a defense, and make quality reads, and even make some down-the-field passes (like BEYOND the line of scrimmage even).

No one hailed JB as our next great QB. He just showed that we should want for more than what we have had for the past several years.

Kyler is not OUR QBOTF. He will be somewhere else soon.

He showed a QB can put up meaningless stats averaging 43 pass attempts a game and being down multiple scores in nearly every game.

 

[DaHilg]

Right? I mean, the way they talk, we're looking at a day 1 or day 2 pick in return, or at least 2 quality starters, right. Right?

lol what rationale kyler person said this ?

 

[Mulli]

lol what rationale kyler person said this ?

No one.

 

[AustrianCardFan]

He showed a QB can put up meaningless stats averaging 43 pass attempts a game and being down multiple scores in nearly every game.

9 games as a starter, 4 blowouts, 4 one possession losses, 1 win... that's why I don't really agree with the "only garbage time stats" argument.

 

[Adrian]

A Tua Tagovailoa swap for Kyler Murray? Let's be realistic

Tua Tagovailoa could be headed toward an offseason breakup with the Dolphins. If it happens, the Cardinals should be nowhere near it.

arizonasports.com

 

[some dumb guy]

Wouldn't the K1 v JB discussion go away if everyone would accept the fact that once we lost Conner, then Benson and finally Murray, our run first offense had to change to pass first and hope? Of course JB had to pass so often...there was no one to run the ball.
Imagine JB standing tall in pocket hitting receivers in stride AND having Conner available to run the ball. I think the offense would have looked pretty good.
The defense is a whole different discussion.

 

[urs]

Wouldn't the K1 v JB discussion go away if everyone would accept the fact that once we lost Conner, then Benson and finally Murray, our run first offense had to change to pass first and hope? Of course JB had to pass so often...there was no one to run the ball.
Imagine JB standing tall in pocket hitting receivers in stride AND having Conner available to run the ball. I think the offense would have looked pretty good.
The defense is a whole different discussion.

Kyler was our leading rusher when he went to IR, it's not like he had the benefit of leaning on a strong Conner and Benson run game. HE was the run game. And we were in every single game. As matter of fact, the last time Kyler left the field in each game, we were either tied or had the lead.

 

[602 Native]

Sorry but are you seriously comparing Kyler to Burrow? The Bengals might be one of the few franchises that are run even worse than the Cardinals (or comparably as bad). When you take a look at the roster that Burrow went to the SB with, do you honestly think Kyler would have been able to go on a similar run?

Again the Bengals are a better team than the Cardinals.

“Worse franchise than the Cardinals”

More Dilulu Cards Fans posts.

Again do you people watch other NFL teams?

 

[602 Native]

Wouldn't the K1 v JB discussion go away if everyone would accept the fact that once we lost Conner, then Benson and finally Murray, our run first offense had to change to pass first and hope? Of course JB had to pass so often...there was no one to run the ball.
Imagine JB standing tall in pocket hitting receivers in stride AND having Conner available to run the ball. I think the offense would have looked pretty good.
The defense is a whole different discussion.

Thoughts and feelings posts have returned.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Kyler was our leading rusher when he went to IR, it's not like he had the benefit of leaning on a strong Conner and Benson run game. HE was the run game. And we were in every single game. As matter of fact, the last time Kyler left the field in each game, we were either tied or had the lead.

Yeah but the team with the most regular season passing yards automatically wins the superbowl! Duh!

 

[urs]

Yeah but the team with the most passing yards wins the superbowl! Duh!

Totally forgot about that

 

[some dumb guy]

Kyler was our leading rusher when he went to IR, it's not like he had the benefit of leaning on a strong Conner and Benson run game. HE was the run game. And we were in every single game. As matter of fact, the last time Kyler left the field in each game, we were either tied or had the lead.

That's why I said when we lost the run game, which includes all three I mentioned regardless of who was the leading rusher, we went pass heavy

 

[Stout]

lol what rationale kyler person said this ?

That's the kind of hype he gets from a select few, though. I mean, if he's really THAT good, if he's all that and a bucket of chicken, teams will stump up. Right?

 

[Russ Smith]

I would guess KC with Mahomes done for the year on a one year deal because I don't believe anyone will trade for him and that contract.

I said that too but then I read KC thinks Mahomes might start Game 1 next year. I have no idea how that works timeline wise but that's what the article said they think he can start game 1

 

[Shane]

I said that too but then I read KC thinks Mahomes might start Game 1 next year. I have no idea how that works timeline wise but that's what the article said they think he can start game 1

I'd be surprised considering Kyler was injured 3 weeks earlier in the season than Mahomes when he blew his ACL. He didn't come back till week 8 the following season. But then again it is Kyler. lol

 

[Cheesebeef]

I said that too but then I read KC thinks Mahomes might start Game 1 next year. I have no idea how that works timeline wise but that's what the article said they think he can start game 1

wouldn't surprise me. Palmer got injured in Week 10 of the 2014 season and was ready to go for training camp Day 1 the next season. Figure Mahommes injury was a month later, but considering Palmer was ready to go six weeks before the regular season with no restrictions in camp, so that gives him time to be ready by Game 1.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'd be surprised considering Kyler was injured 3 weeks earlier in the season than Mahomes when he blew his ACL. He didn't come back till week 8 the following season. But then again it is Kyler. lol

see my post right below this one.

Kyler's always taken longer than anyone expects to come back from any injury.

 

[Shane]

wouldn't surprise me. Palmer got injured in Week 10 of the 2014 season and was ready to go for training camp Day 1 the next season. Figure Mahommes injury was a month later, but considering Palmer was ready to go six weeks before the regular season with no restrictions in camp, so that gives him time to be ready by Game 1.

I forgot about Palmer

 

[Russ Smith]

wouldn't surprise me. Palmer got injured in Week 10 of the 2014 season and was ready to go for training camp Day 1 the next season. Figure Mahommes injury was a month later, but considering Palmer was ready to go six weeks before the regular season with no restrictions in camp, so that gives him time to be ready by Game 1.

I don't recall on Carson but Mahomes tore his LCL too.

I think the reason Kyler took longer is that running is such a big part of his game they wanted to make sure he could run before he came back. Mahomes is mobile but seems like way more important to Kyler than to Mahomes.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

I said that too but then I read KC thinks Mahomes might start Game 1 next year. I have no idea how that works timeline wise but that's what the article said they think he can start game 1

That's just nonsense talk for a fan base sad they are out of the playoffs

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

So funny story, last night I went to dinner with three guys from KC and we were talking football and I did two layup questions.

#1. Do you consider Kyler Murray good or bad? 2 bads one okay

#2. Would you want Kyler Murray to fill in for Mahomes while he rehabs. All 3 immediate yes.

In my head I was like "welcome to your 400 page thread about he stinks but better than the other options"

 

[Shane]

So funny story, last night I went to dinner with three guys from KC and we were talking football and I did two layup questions.

#1. Do you consider Kyler Murray good or bad? 2 bads one okay

#2. Would you want Kyler Murray to fill in for Mahomes while he rehabs. All 3 immediate yes.

In my head I was like "welcome to your 400 page thread about he stinks but better than the other options"

that’s great and all, but answer my text

 

[Shane]

I don't recall on Carson but Mahomes tore his LCL too.

I think the reason Kyler took longer is that running is such a big part of his game they wanted to make sure he could run before he came back. Mahomes is mobile but seems like way more important to Kyler than to Mahomes.

It’s not like Mahomes isn’t known for his scrambling and his Escapability… sure not to the extent of Kyler, but he’s still pretty mobile and elusive in the pocket and tore an extra ligament.

 

[Weenus O'Baggins]

that’s great and all, but answer my text

I got no notifications. Let me look

 

[Russ Smith]

It’s not like Mahomes isn’t known for his scrambling and his Escapability… sure not to the extent of Kyler, but he’s still pretty mobile and elusive in the pocket and tore an extra ligament.

Sure but Kyler has 500 more yards rushing in 40 less games. It's a much bigger part of Kylers game than Mahomes. THat's my guess why Kyler rehabbed longer they wanted him to be able to run