OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[slanidrac16]

We're eating that contract regardless.

That idiotic extension by Kiem...

I don't think coaches were interested in trying to fix Kyler 3 years ago, currently I think that notion is preposterous.

And if some coach DOES show up in Bidwill's office, thinking that he can turn Kyler into a title caliber QB, worthy of what he's being paid, then I really don't want to hire that guy because he's either a snake oil salesman or a fool.

Well said!

 

[BritCard]

You mean the AJ Greene that failed to turn around and clinch a sure win?

In the season, where people were talking about Kyler being an MVP candidate?


You and the rest of the KDS continued to push this narrative that Kyler has never accomplished anything and has been a low average quarterback for seven years, which is demonstratively false.

He's absolutely not accomplished anything and has been poor to mediocre for 7 years, apart from 7 games in 2021.

 

[BritCard]

Just to throw water on the Vikings hopes.

The Vikings are already between $25m and $35m over the cap next year. Depending which site you use. I'm not sure how they take on Kyler.

 

[THESMEL]

I don’t think KM is done - even though it’s laid on as thick as possible, I thought the defense might take a year to gel, but this bad, injuries to backs and everybody really sucked.

 

[kerouac9]

What quality coach would agree to come here and be stuck with KM. We could get someone but I seriously doubt it would be anyone you would want.

We couldn’t get a quality coach and GM to come here last time to be stuck with KM.

 

[phillycard]

This is the Cardinals. Who said anything about quality. More likely the special team coach from Northern Illinois.

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Heyyyyyyyyyy! My guy!

 

[Dback Jon]

Just to throw water on the Vikings hopes.

The Vikings are already between $25m and $35m over the cap next year. Depending which site you use. I'm not sure how they take on Kyler.

High draft pick and Cardinals eating most of the contract

 

[Crimson Warrior]

A little click bait for the Never-Murray's and K1 Superfans alike: haha

Cardinals Give Vague Two-Word Answer on Kyler Murray Question

The Arizona Cardinals can see Kyler Murray's practice window open next week - but will it happen?

www.si.com

 

[Adrian]

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[602 Native]

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K1 is not playing another down for the Cardinals organization.

Embrace a future without him and hope it is bright.

 

[PACardsFan]

Kyler, if traded isn’t going to a “ winning” team. He is not going to light up New York ( that city will eat him alive). The Titans? The Saints? The Browns?
We all know you can’t put the team on Kyler’s shoulders.

Do you really believe that only 4-5 teams are in need of a starting QB in the NFL? Have you watched the league this year? The NFL is in dire straits when it comes to quality play, and especially at the QB position. It’s far easier to list the teams that have their QB situation resolved than those who don’t.

 

[602 Native]

Well this staff started their regime with pew pew pew…Kyler’s the man. He’s everything and a can of corn.

And gave him a dog crap oline and OC who is absolutely horrendous. It’s all K1s fault though even if JG has a better win % with him than without him.

 

[kerouac9]

Do you really believe that only 4-5 teams are in need of a starting QB in the NFL? Have you watched the league this year? The NFL is in dire straits when it comes to quality play, and especially at the QB position. It’s far easier to list the teams that have their QB situation resolved than those who don’t.

I know you’re doing whatever you can’t to distract from the obvious lack of sustained success promised by MOJG if we just believed hard enough. This is just factually inaccurate.

The most generous reading of QB uncertainty in the NFL (age + injury + lackluster play) are:

Miami
New York Jets
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Indy
Jville
Vegas
Minny
Nawlins
Atlanta
Arizona

That’s 11 teams. Two are playoff-bound despite QB uncertainty. Maybe three!

 

[Harry]

I don’t disagree. I’m just looking at Bidwill, cap ramifications, paying another coaching staff and wonder.

Yeah, bad decisions cost a bunch

 

[PACardsFan]

And gave him a dog crap oline and OC who is absolutely horrendous. It’s all K1s fault though even if JG has a better win % with him than without him.

Absolutely correct. We drafted Murray in 2019 & didn’t draft a first round OLineman until 2023. And none since then. Not at all Murray’s fault that he got drafted by an inept organization. Nothing but pain for us moving forward when he goes to a team that will win and the naysayers on this board will be forced to eat crow once again.

 

[Harry]

What quality coach would agree to come here and be stuck with KM. We could get someone but I seriously doubt it would be anyone you would want.

No one is coming with the Murray-Bidwill connection

 

[Harry]

I tossed this aside but I’m hearing the Vikes are goingto ask about Murray.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

... when he goes to a team that will win and the naysayers on this board will be forced to eat crow once again.

Nah, Kyler is just mid, not that he can't play on a winning team, but he won't be the driver for that winning team, especially in the second half of a season.

 

[SoonerLou]

“Deserves?” I kinda feel like this franchise and Kyler DESERVE each other. Poor effort, lack of self awareness, pouting, injury-prone, el foldo goes nicely with stupid organizational decisionmaking, poor facilities, and egomaniacal ownership. Like peanut butter and jelly . . . if the sandwich had been sitting outside in the Arizona sun for four months.

Imo.

Kyler Murray & the Arizona Cardinals are what would have happened if Kyler stayed at Texas A&M in college.

Socially unaware player who was with a coach in Sumlin who was rather meh and so was the program at the time.

Can he find his OU in the NFL? Maybe. However, Kyler and his dad were initially trying to go Texas who had an incompetent HC and program as well. Texas told him no. Which ended up doing him a favor he was forced to go backup Baker at OU.

He needs luck in finding the absolute perfect situation. He's not a program builder. He needs a team who only needs an upgrade at QB.

 

[Chopper0080]

Excited to see Kyler win on a real team. Would love to see Budda leave as well. The Cardinals will never win.

I don't understand this level of thinking.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I tossed this aside but I’m hearing the Vikes are goingto ask about Murray.

At this point I would take a bag of chips in a trade just to get Murray's contract off the books.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

At this point I would take a bag of chips in a trade just to get Murray's contract off the books.

at this point monti needs to meet with murray's agent to discuss a release/divorce settlement because there is no flaming hot cheetos in our future

 

[PACardsFan]

I know you’re doing whatever you can’t to distract from the obvious lack of sustained success promised by MOJG if we just believed hard enough. This is just factually inaccurate.

The most generous reading of QB uncertainty in the NFL (age + injury + lackluster play) are:

Miami
New York Jets
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Indy
Jville
Vegas
Minny
Nawlins
Atlanta
Arizona

That’s 11 teams. Two are playoff-bound despite QB uncertainty. Maybe three!

We’ve had far too many injuries to have success in terms of wins and losses. The fact that we’re in almost every game is proof that we have built enough depth that the team is closer than the naysayers like yourself want to admit. We’re a young team with plenty of potential if we can somehow stay healthier. Yes, we should fire the OL coach, possibly the OC, and even the DL coach. Firing MOJG won’t resolve anything.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

What quality coach would agree to come here and be stuck with KM. We could get someone but I seriously doubt it would be anyone you would want.

So, you mean a quality coach like Sean Payton, who openly lobbied for the job and how he'd use K1? I would honestly think a quality coach, with a great offensive mind would want to come and see if they can fully tap the potential of Murray. BA was kinda that way....he could work with someone like Luck, for sure, but he also had a thing for cast off veteran QBs (Palmer was his greatest with BA). I think someone like McCarthy wouldn't mind giving Murray a shot for a year.


I have zero opinion either way, personally...He can go or be kept. Doesn't matter to me.

 

[vince56]

K1 is not playing another down for the Cardinals organization.

Embrace a future without him and hope it is bright.

Imagine he comes back for a game or two and gets injured, making him untradeable.