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The calls are the same all the time. Uncreative, uninspired, and unsuccessful.

They're really not. The OC is an easy target because they are more expendable and easier to replace than your starting QB. The plays are there, there's nothing wrong with the playbook. The passing game issues are all Kyler.

There's some stuff needs fixing elsewhere on offense, run blocking has been generally sloppy for example, but this offense isn't failing because the opportunities are not there to pass the ball, it's failing because Kyler ignores then for a 3 yard checkdown.
 

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They're really not. The OC is an easy target because they are more expendable and easier to replace than your starting QB. The plays are there, there's nothing wrong with the playbook. The passing game issues are all Kyler.

There's some stuff needs fixing elsewhere on offense, run blocking has been generally sloppy for example, but this offense isn't failing because the opportunities are not there to pass the ball, it's failing because Kyler ignores then for a 3 yard checkdown.
This is false. I love you man, but this is false.
 

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This is false. I love you man, but this is false.

Ok, in what way is Petzing the problem? If it's that we can't pass the ball because there are no option to pass it to then that's not Petzing. The shots are there.

You can argue that Petzing is calling more runs, screens etc than anyone might like, including himself, but he's trying to game plan for a QB that has a YPA below 6, and if not the the Panthers game would be below 5.
 

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This is just abysmal for any QB. Kyler should look at these numbers and be ashamed.

QuarterAttemptsPass YardsYPA
1st9313.44
2nd12524.33
3rd7334.71
4th13846.46
 

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I am looking at the Kyler tape objectively so I'll start with a defense of Kyler from drive 1.

I watched this and thought Kyler under threw it, and I would like to see more on the pass, but I think it's more that Mike outran it. There was plenty of time for Mike to adjust to the flight of the ball and I think he misjudged it.

Kyler does have a tendency to throw these soft, floaty passes when pressured but Mike has seen enough of them by now to pull this one in. Genuine TD chance if Kyler can get more behind it though.

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Murray attempted and completed some longer passes and made some clutch plays under pressure when the Cards were down 14. As Fitzpatrick said, "You wish he'd find a way to have that sense of urgency earlier in the game."
Wouldn't it be nice? And wouldn't it be nice, on a long down, if he would STOP freaking SLIDING BEHIND THE LOS OR RUNNING OOBS!!!
 

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Is it because you hate the Stillers?
Kind of? lol It's more that the Stillers will finish too far back to draft their QBOF and won't want to give up future 1sts to move up high enough to get him. In KM Rooney, who is pretty football dumb, can convince himself they have a guy who can play a long time and help them win.
 

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Kind of? lol It's more that the Stillers will finish too far back to draft their QBOF and won't want to give up future 1sts to move up high enough to get him. In KM Rooney, who is pretty football dumb, can convince himself they have a guy who can play a long time and help them win.

Not sure the fan base has any appetite for "Younger Russell Wilson" or "Smaller Justin Fields".
 

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Not sure the fan base has any appetite for "Younger Russell Wilson" or "Smaller Justin Fields".

I'm not a Kyler guy... but he ain't that bad.

Fields is trash and Wilson is a corpse. Kyler is extremely mediocre. He is a game manager with wheels... great wheels, but an ultra conservative game manager until trailing late.

Also, his habit of pouting on the bench by himself when things are going bad does not inspire.
 

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If you'd told me in 2020 that I'd be wishing we had Sam Darnold over Kyler Murray in 2025 I'd have called you mad, but here we are.

It appears very possible the Arizona Cardinals have broken Kyler Murray. That this organization has slowly ground him down to powder.

I mean your WR1 volleyballing perfect passes to the other team... It has to be heartbreaking for K1.

But if the Cardinals change QBs now or any time soon, I'm sure the next guy will come in and have long term success. That sounds perfectly logical I'm sure.
 

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I am looking at the Kyler tape objectively so I'll start with a defense of Kyler from drive 1.

I watched this and thought Kyler under threw it, and I would like to see more on the pass, but I think it's more that Mike outran it. There was plenty of time for Mike to adjust to the flight of the ball and I think he misjudged it.

Kyler does have a tendency to throw these soft, floaty passes when pressured but Mike has seen enough of them by now to pull this one in. Genuine TD chance if Kyler can get more behind it though.

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That's 35 air yards to gain 25. Im befuddled by how he's always throwing short, but man, his size makes it so he has to be a full ten yards in the backfield to see downfield and make a play. That's a SEVERE disadvantage. It makes a 3 yard check down a 13 yard pass.
 

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It appears very possible the Arizona Cardinals have broken Kyler Murray. That this organization has slowly ground him down to powder.

I mean your WR1 volleyballing perfect passes to the other team... It has to be heartbreaking for K1.

But if the Cardinals change QBs now or any time soon, I'm sure the next guy will come in and have long term success. That sounds perfectly logical I'm sure.
That is based on a false premise that KM had ever arrived. One half of a season does with no playoff wins or games won to clinch the playoffs doesn't make a QB. How could he be broken if he was never fully built?
 

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That is based on a false premise that KM had ever arrived. One half of a season does with no playoff wins or games won to clinch the playoffs doesn't make a QB. How could he be broken if he was never fully built?

Where did I say that he was ever great at the NFL level?

I'm saying he was super talented prospect, and that we ****** up his handling from day 1 Stout. We ****** up Kyler Murray.

Josh Rosen "sucked". We moved on from him.

Now everybody's ready to move on from K1, great. Let's draft another QB.

Bring in the next guy and watch the Cardinals elevate him to success. Sound good?
 

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How sad is it that this offense would be much better with Danny Dimes running it?
Oh the typical thoughts and feelings post.

It’s this type of post that shows you have zero eye for anything.

No one was clamoring for Danny “Dimes” until a brilliant HC pulled him off the scrap heap. Let’s not pretend that DD would be any better here with Big Brain P.

What coach on our staff compares to the HC in Indy?
 

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Where did I say that he was ever great at the NFL level?

I'm saying he was super talented prospect, and that we ****** up his handling from day 1 Stout. We ****** up Kyler Murray.

Josh Rosen "sucked". We moved on from him.

Now everybody's ready to move on from K1, great. Let's draft another QB.

Bring in the next guy and watch the Cardinals elevate him to success. Sound good?
I disagree with the premise that the Cards ruined him. That GB game clearly affected him mentally. Toss in the injury, and he hasn't been the same since.
 
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