OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Mulli]

it's okay big guy - we all know gannon said brissett would start whether kyler was injured or not - and that's a lot to take in

JG love here is very sweet

 

[JohnnyCakes]

People still not understand this simple fact, that Kyler has peaked and is not going to be the REASON the team has a winning season or even wins a game. His game is regressing and unfortunately he isnt getting taller.

No one is saying that Brissett is the long term answer, just that K1 is NOT. Its time to move on, let brissett finish the rest of this lost season and begin the offseason with the hunt for the future QB1

Rip the bandaid off.

 

[PDXChris]

People still not understand this simple fact, that Kyler has peaked and is not going to be the REASON the team has a winning season or even wins a game. His game is regressing and unfortunately he isnt getting taller.

No one is saying that Brissett is the long term answer, just that K1 is NOT. Its time to move on, let brissett finish the rest of this lost season and begin the offseason with the hunt for the future QB1

Rip the bandaid off.

I agree 100% with the first part, but people are absolutely acting like JB is a superior QB and one poster even made a Carson Palmer comparison and another said Bruce would win 12 games with JB. Kyler is a mid to low end starter, JB is a high end back up, but some hate Kyler so much that they can't openly admit that.

Keep JB as our back up and start over for new the #1, but lets stop pretending like JB is something he is not. (not saying you said that)

 

[Shane]

I agree 100% with the first part, but people are absolutely acting like JB is a superior QB and one poster even made a Carson Palmer comparison and another said Bruce would win 12 games with JB. Kyler is a mid to low end starter, JB is a high end back up, but some hate Kyler so much that they can't openly admit that.

Ehhh a few outliers. You have several posters here that still believe Kyler is a budding superstar and has superstar potential it’s no different just opposite ends of the spectrum. They literally post regularly about Kyler having no fault in anything. It’s purely the system or talent around him and nothing else.

 

[PDXChris]

Ehhh a few outliers. You have several posters here that still believe Kyler is a budding superstar and has superstar potential it’s no different just opposite ends of the spectrum. They literally post regularly about Kyler having no fault in anything. It’s purely the system or talent around him and nothing else.

You are 100% correct with that too. It does go both ways, but even a lot of those posters have said they are ready to move on now.

 

[Shane]

You are 100% correct with that too. It does go both ways, but even a lot of those posters have said they are ready to move on now.

Yeah, but only because they feel Kyler will be super successful elsewhere and needs a change of scenery… I think his level of success has been capped.

 

[PDXChris]

Yeah, but only because they feel Kyler will be super successful elsewhere and needs a change of scenery… I think his level of success has been capped.

As sad as it is to admit, I do too feel it is capped. I always thought his window would be shorter (pun intended) than most due to his size. He appears to have hit it. He is a 18-25 QB in this league now and needs a great team around him to be successful now. He is Russell Wilson 8 year early.

 

[TJ]

Ehhh a few outliers. You have several posters here that still believe Kyler is a budding superstar and has superstar potential it’s no different just opposite ends of the spectrum. They literally post regularly about Kyler having no fault in anything. It’s purely the system or talent around him and nothing else.

There’s multiple years of evidence that reliably show that Kyler isn’t anything more than a mid-tier QB in this league.

 

[DaHilg]

it's okay big guy - we all know gannon said brissett would start whether kyler was injured or not - and that's a lot to take in

You got your likes from your KDS crew…I’m sure your night has been made. Sad, just sad.

 

[DaHilg]

Ehhh a few outliers. You have several posters here that still believe Kyler is a budding superstar and has superstar potential it’s no different just opposite ends of the spectrum. They literally post regularly about Kyler having no fault in anything. It’s purely the system or talent around him and nothing else.

Would love for you to expand on that last line. What QB would have any sort of sustained success under the last 3 years of this regime - coaching, scheme and personnel?

I don’t see Kyler “stans” outlandishly posting he’s a superstar - BUT these circumstances suck? I see the “stans” posting he’s not our biggest problem by far…laughing as KDS Crew members try to brag about 1-4 BBQ’s garbage time stats and weak defenses he’s played. Shame on Kyler “stans” calling out KDS members as it’s very clear this organization and personnel are far more flawed than our QB position.

Kyler hasn’t been able to overcome this and has looked mediocre at best in stretches with this regime. No clue if he’d actually look better elsewhere with solid coaching in place, solid to good oline (specifically interior) and a true WR1. No clue based on what I’ve seen, but I’m sure curious to all hell. Lastly, I don’t believe any other QB would have success the past 3 seasons. Literally, no one. This is where I am at, and where I’d wager the “stans” are at… NOT, kyler can do no wrong, generational or whatever else more so KDS Members want to falsely shove into our mouths.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

You got your likes from your KDS crew…I’m sure your night has been made. Sad, just sad.

you'll never realize that most of the fans here - nearly all of them - myself included - wanted kyler to succeed

im over kyler now im not saying it for likes - i don't want to see him here next year - i think he squandered his talents refusing to evolve

you get upset with the petzing playcall neglecting to recall he had it all with kingsbury - it worked and then it didn't once kyler didn't respect kingsbury

two completely different offensive coordinators on opposite ends of the football philosophical spectrum with one thing in common - not getting one of the most physically gifted qbs to the promise land

then when brissett comes along it turns out petzing isn't a complete moron - records have been broken - trey and receivers have feasted - imagine what the offense would look like with an actual starting quarterback

meanwhile kingsbury took washington and their less experienced qb to the nfc championship game - all without getting cussed out on live television

 

[Stout]

Lmao more stuff you are just making up to fit your narrative and the defending of BBQs stats.. spoken like a true board member of the KDS Crew! Now income the down votes from the usual suspects

So when posters said in the past that Kyler was padding his stats in garbage time, the Kyler stans never blasted them in defense of Kyler? Revisionist history indeed.

 

[Adrian]

Kurt Warner Sends Kyler Murray Warning to Cardinals Following Recent Trade Rumors

Former Cardinals quarterback sends his former team a warning against potential Kyler Murray trade as rumors intensify.

www.essentiallysports.com

 

[BritCard]

JBs only win.

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Not sure what the point is? He has similar or better stats in losses.

The point of the post is that the Dallas passing defense is pretty bad. But JB has made all passing defenses he's played look pretty bad.

 

[BritCard]

Would love for you to expand on that last line. What QB would have any sort of sustained success under the last 3 years of this regime - coaching, scheme and personnel?

I don’t see Kyler “stans” outlandishly posting he’s a superstar - BUT these circumstances suck? I see the “stans” posting he’s not our biggest problem by far…laughing as KDS Crew members try to brag about 1-4 BBQ’s garbage time stats and weak defenses he’s played. Shame on Kyler “stans” calling out KDS members as it’s very clear this organization and personnel are far more flawed than our QB position.

Kyler hasn’t been able to overcome this and has looked mediocre at best in stretches with this regime. No clue if he’d actually look better elsewhere with solid coaching in place, solid to good oline (specifically interior) and a true WR1. No clue based on what I’ve seen, but I’m sure curious to all hell. Lastly, I don’t believe any other QB would have success the past 3 seasons. Literally, no one. This is where I am at, and where I’d wager the “stans” are at… NOT, kyler can do no wrong, generational or whatever else more so KDS Members want to falsely shove into our mouths.

No. You have it wrong, as usual.

His circumstances don't suck. He's the cause of the circumstances.

The last couple of weeks have been rough, but then we have massive injuries. We've been missing starting CBs, starting LBs, WR1, WR3, RB1, RB2, etc for multiple games. Our run game has become non existent with guys off the PS. Last game we lost RT and RG for most the game too.

That's not to excuse what were some poor performances, especially on defense, but also the odds are seriously stacked against us at the moment even if everyone plays well.

You're deluded for the very simple reason that Kyler has not played well individually. Nobody is judging Kyler on his record, they are judging him on his performances. You were blaming the talent around him and then JB started and got magnitudes more production out of the same talent. You were blaming the scheme, then the scheme started putting up 40% more yards per game.

I think if JB had started those early games we lost by a few points when the team was healthier, we would have won them, he's been far superior and that would have made all the difference in those tight games. The recent losses are a mix of playing some good teams (Indi, Seattle, GB are all top 10 power ranked), injuries and also some bad play.

But Kyler has just been independently bad. There's no institutional reason to have a 6 YPA, not go through reads, bug out of pockets early and be inaccurate throwing past 10 yards. That's just Kyler.

 

[BritCard]

you'll never realize that most of the fans here - nearly all of them - myself included - wanted kyler to succeed

im over kyler now im not saying it for likes - i don't want to see him here next year - i think he squandered his talents refusing to evolve

you get upset with the petzing playcall neglecting to recall he had it all with kingsbury - it worked and then it didn't once kyler didn't respect kingsbury

two completely different offensive coordinators on opposite ends of the football philosophical spectrum with one thing in common - not getting one of the most physically gifted qbs to the promise land

then when brissett comes along it turns out petzing isn't a complete moron - records have been broken - trey and receivers have feasted - imagine what the offense would look like with an actual starting quarterback

meanwhile kingsbury took washington and their less experienced qb to the nfc championship game - all without getting cussed out on live television

I still want him to succeed. Part of me hopes this puts a rocket up his butt and he comes back new and improved in a couple of games. I'd welcome him starting again to see if that happens.

I hope he's been humbled and humiliated by watching JB do everything he hasn't been doing and that motivates him to be better.

I have serious doubts that can happen, but I hope, and would be happy to try.

 

[TK421]

Kurt Warner Sends Kyler Murray Warning to Cardinals Following Recent Trade Rumors

Former Cardinals quarterback sends his former team a warning against potential Kyler Murray trade as rumors intensify.

www.essentiallysports.com

I respect Kurt, but how does he not realize that teams don't want to settle for a good qb, they're always gambling on trying to get an elite qb.

 

[Shane]

I respect Kurt, but how does he not realize that teams don't want to settle for a good qb, they're always gambling on trying to get an elite qb.

I don't know if you've heard. But we already have one. Just ask about 5-6 posters here...

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I still want him to succeed. Part of me hopes this puts a rocket up his butt and he comes back new and improved in a couple of games. I'd welcome him starting again to see if that happens.

I hope he's been humbled and humiliated by watching JB do everything he hasn't been doing and that motivates him to be better.

I have serious doubts that can happen, but I hope, and would be happy to try.

My man.

I guess he'll be off IR for the home game vs. LA. That would be a good challenge.

 

[BooksOrangePlanet]

I respect Kurt, but how does he not realize that teams don't want to settle for a good qb, they're always gambling on trying to get an elite qb.

im all for elitism

 

[Phrazbit]

My man.

I guess he'll be off IR for the home game vs. LA. That would be a good challenge.

I think they should play him when he is eligible to come off the IR, try to build some trade value, but I don't think they will, unless Jacoby goes off the rails, even then...

I think there is some fire behind the smoke. They told him that he was going to backup Jacoby and I think Kyler said "nope, if that is the case I am done". The rest is all just cover to retain some trade value.

I don't see any other explanation for him to go from day to day and practicing to "out 4-8 weeks".

I know he's your guy, but after that Rams playoff game, where they had to talk him into suiting up for the 2nd half... I think he's never faced much adversity as an athlete and when it hits him hard he quits.

 

[Phrazbit]

Apologies if this is a repost, but this is damning stuff.

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Kyler's teammates clearly don't believe in him.

 

[DaHilg]

Apologies if this is a repost, but this is damning stuff.

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Kyler's teammates clearly don't believe in him.

You’re really good at reading minds.. every positive thing a player says about BBQ isn’t a jab at Kyler, but rather a positive attribute about BBQ

 

[Phrazbit]

You’re really good at reading minds.. every positive thing a player says about BBQ isn’t a jab at Kyler, but rather a positive attribute about BBQ

When he says BBQ makes it "easier"... what is that in comparison to..?

I guess I am not a mind reader... how would you interpret that?

 

[DaHilg]

When he says BBQ makes it "easier"... what is that in comparison to..?

I guess I am not a mind reader... how would you interpret that?

Um his own job.. doesn’t have to be a direct connection to Kyler Jeesh. Unless you have KDS and tie every comment back to kyler. This isn’t a movie, these guys aren’t intelligent to the point they speak indirectly w every quote