OT: Kyler Murray Debacle Thread

[Mr X]

Has anyone watched Kyler's personal YouTube stuff? Watched the last episode and like that he is surrounded by family and no drama from him off the field but I think it's time he tells his parents to move out and go monk mode. His dad doesn't seem the type to put any blame on him and will be interesting to see the next episode.

 

[unseenaz]

Has anyone watched Kyler's personal YouTube stuff? Watched the last episode and like that he is surrounded by family and no drama from him off the field but I think it's time he tells his parents to move out and go monk mode. His dad doesn't seem the type to put any blame on him and will be interesting to see the next episode.

I do like to catch up on those every now and then. You’ll notice he doesn’t post very many videos, and he only posts them after a win.

 

[oaken1]

I'm trying to figure out his read progression. It seems like he is reading to Wilson, then kinda skips over MHJ which I assume is because he reads the two defenders pinching to MHJ which leaves the RB in the flat "open" and he just takes that. What is interesting is if he sticks with MHJ, he has a nice high low with MHJ and then McBride who is running to the flat vs a LB after chipping.

The other thing to point out here is his drop. the ball is snapped from the 39 and he sets up at the 50. That is an 11 yard drop which is really tough on OTs. His throw to Benson is 8 yards behind the LOS.

Yeah...if air yards were tracked from release point instead of LOS Kylers stats would go up 250%

 

[BritCard]

Man, we're going to miss Conner. Just watching the 2nd drive and the first 4 plays have been 3 Conner runs and a screen to Conner.

Anyway, 3rd down before the 2nd drive ends. I just don't understand why he bails here. He has a great pocket. The DT only gets threw once he bails because the angle changes.

I debated if it was designed for him to run that way but nobody is looking to block and Kyler is looking for a pass the whole time.

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[BritCard]

You will remember this one from the game thread when the ball was too late to Conner.

You can see from when the pass to him should have been made but Kyler is too busy jumping around in the pocket instead of keeping his eyes downfield. There are also at least 2 passes open before he starts disco dancing.

Also, where the pass went too was probably the worst place. If Kyler throws that anywhere else Conner can likely adjust to it and stay in bound.

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[Stout]

Has anyone watched Kyler's personal YouTube stuff? Watched the last episode and like that he is surrounded by family and no drama from him off the field but I think it's time he tells his parents to move out and go monk mode. His dad doesn't seem the type to put any blame on him and will be interesting to see the next episode.

Yeah, Daddy being his QB guru has been a problem for years.

 

[602 Native]

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[Cheesebeef]

According to Bickley just now Murray ranks 30th to air rate on passes thrown when NOT under pressure.

That’s pathetic. That means he’s just choosing to check it down, folks.

 

[urs]

According to Bickley just now Murray ranks 30th to air rate on passes thrown when NOT under pressure.

That’s pathetic. That means he’s just choosing to check it down, folks.

Or that's his first or second read and the way the play is called? You have zero clue

 

[Stout]

Can't we all agree that our QB is middling, our OC is at best middling, and our WRs aren't getting the job done? I mean, this is simple stuff.

 

[602 Native]

Or that's his first or second read and the way the play is called? You have zero clue

Its all about thoughts and feeling bro.

"I feel like Kyler/I thiknk Kyler" is how every post starts pretty much.

 

[602 Native]

Can't we all agree that our QB is middling, our OC is at best middling, and our WRs aren't getting the job done? I mean, this is simple stuff.

Im on board but the OCs job is to fix the problem no matter where it lies.

We are going on year 3 of there being a problem and its getting worse.

 

[Stout]

Im on board but the OCs job is to fix the problem no matter where it lies.

We are going on year 3 of there being a problem and its getting worse.

Here we go with my feelings...

I feel Petzing doesn't do a good enough job tailoring the game to KM's strengths and weaknesses. I feel KM has too many weaknesses to run a complicated or even decent offense, handicapping any OC. I feel our WR corps is rubbish and we whiffed picking MHJ.

 

[602 Native]

Here we go with my feelings...

I feel Petzing doesn't do a good enough job tailoring the game to KM's strengths and weaknesses. I feel KM has too many weaknesses to run a complicated or even decent offense, handicapping any OC. I feel our WR corps is rubbish and we whiffed picking MHJ.

If this season is a failure it all needs to go.

The problem is I trust no one in this organization to get this fixed. Im stuck rooting for a team that has terrible leadership and zero know how.

 

[BritCard]

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Cope.

PFF grades what you do, not what you don't do. If you throw a 5 yard checkdown while missing a guy open 20 yards downfield that's a positive play. If you bug out of the pocket for no reason but gain 12 yards on a run then that's a positive play.

Odegard is a massive Kyler homer.

Imagine thinking Kyler has been better than Goff or Mayfield. Jeez.

 

[602 Native]

Cope.

PFF grades what you do, not what you don't do. If you throw a 5 yard checkdown while missing a guy open 20 yards downfield that's a positive play. If you bug out of the pocket for now reason but gain 12 yards on a run then that's a positive play.

The "Cope" is you cherry picking whatever you think makes your opinions valid.
Still waiting for your tremendous All 22 post from last game and you telling Kurt Warner he is a hack.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is the first play of the Niners game. First some praise, lots of protection on this first play with just the 2 man route and the leaking TE. Kyler actually goes through his reads and gets to his 3rd.

This is a good play to demonstrate the issues because it has 3 levels of difficulty.

The 1st read is Marv who runs a nice comeback route. That throw requires the ball out early and while I think it's there to be made if he throws it as Marv breaks it's not easy and Kyler has come off it by then.

The 2nd read is Mike over the middle on the dig. or me, this is an easy throw, Kyler has a bunch of time to throw this. warner has bit on the TE underneath. This is a throw you see QB's make all the time.

But he chooses the 3rd option, checkdown to the TE.

This is the conservative mindset I keep referring to. The options are there downfield, it's not the play calling, but when presented with an easy option Kyler will take it when the game is in the balance.

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I 100% don’t understand why he passes up Wilson here.

 

[BritCard]

The "Cope" is you cherry picking whatever you think makes your opinions valid.
Still waiting for your tremendous All 22 post from last game and you telling Kurt Warner he is a hack.

I don't cherry pick anything, I just literally watch Kyler's awful play.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is the following play.

One of the things that bothers me about this offense is how often Kyler predetermines his throws. I'm fine with some predetermination if what you see from the defense telegraphs what needs to happen, but the look here isn't great for Tip pre snap or post snap. So I don't understand why he's deciding this is the option considering it's well short of the chains.

If I'm looking for an easy pre snap read here it's Conner but the pass I'd like to see throw is to Marv who's covered by a linebacker with Higgins potentially lead blocking for him on a CB.

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I don’t get this either. He’s literally throwing to the most congested area of the field and MHJ is wide open with two defenders and a blocker available.

 

[BritCard]

I 100% don’t understand why he passes up Wilson here.

Because he's a fanny.

There's loads of options downfield all the time, it's all over the tape. I don't know if he doesn't trust his own accuracy, or he's concerned about picks or something else, but he's just managing the game. He shows no interest in taking shots until we're up 10+ or down 7 or more. The rest of the time it's like he's trying to not make mistakes and keeping it basic.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is 3rd and 10 and I just don't like the mindset. I want to see Kyler hit Marv as he's coming out of his break or give Dortch a chance on the far side with a ball towards the sideline. Not check it down behind the LOS with next to zero chance of getting a 3rd down.

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I’m unsure what the route combo is meant to do. Free up the receiver in the right flat? We run two receivers to the same spot late in their routes which essentially takes them both out of the play and run dortch deep (if it’s a come back he likely gets a first down). That said the least impactful throw was always going to be the checkdown here.

 

[BritCard]

I don’t get this either. He’s literally throwing to the most congested area of the field and MHJ is wide open with two defenders and a blocker available.

So many of his throws are predetermined, and it's not predetermined based on what he sees. I'm pretty sure he's deciding in the huddle.

Any other QB would be thinking, I've got 2 guys to the right and there's only 1 QB. You would think that's why he motions Higgins over there. The conflict for the defense is all on that side.

There's potentially 20-30 yards in that for Marv if Higgins can block the CB.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Or that's his first or second read and the way the play is called? You have zero clue

Never Kyler’s fault…

 

[BritCard]

I’m unsure what the route combo is meant to do. Free up the receiver in the right flat? We run two receivers to the same spot late in their routes which essentially takes them both out of the play and run dortch deep (if it’s a come back he likely gets a first down). That said the least impactful throw was always going to be the checkdown here.

They are playing zone so I'm not sure any routes going to greatly free up anyone. I wonder if either or both of Mike and Marv have options but I'd rather Kyler throw anything that what he does on 3rd and 10. Got to take a shot there to one of them.

 

[BritCard]

Or that's his first or second read and the way the play is called? You have zero clue

Imagine thinking the play call designates who gets the ball unless it's a screen.

What QB makes the checkdown their 1st read? What OC makes the checkdown their 1st read?

Also, we saw this EXACT same thing in Kliff's offense.