Only one starter below Kyler Murray in new QB rankings

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  1. CardsSunsDbacks

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    No most of them are talking about his potential and are not saying the he will be great for a fact. There is a big difference between people saying that he has the talent to be great and actually proclaming that he will in fact be a hall of famer.

    As to work out numbers I just don't believe in their importance as much as you seem to. I can tell you that based on watching film on both guys that KM is without a doubt faster and more dangerous as a runner. I can also tell you based on that same film that KM has a stronger arm than RW (accuracy seems to be pretty even). As far as stats are concerned KM's all around numbers last year were quite a bit better than any one season in RW's college career. On paper I believe KM is the better prospect, but of course being the better prospect does not guarantee the better career.
     
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    RW was quite ordinary at NC State. That's why they moved on to Mike Glennon, because they thought Glennon was going to be better than Wilson.

    If you want to talk about Murrays talent at OU, go look at the roster of players that Wilson played with. A bunch of good offensive linemen. 3 or 4 great RBs. Super talented team.
     
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    Dude, can’t you just love Murray for the next four months without tarnishing the facts about other guys. Murray had 4 lineman and a wideout drafted in this class, including a first round WR and 2nd round OL. Four-fifths of his OL were drafted by Saturday.

    Let’s look closer at Russ’s Wisky team: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/wisconsin/2011-roster.html

    Murray had Montee Ball, Travis Fredrick as a sophomore, and Kevin Zeitler as a junior. Melvin Gordon has 20 carries as a true fresh. Nick Toon was his top receiver.
     
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    Man am I happy you did the research so I didn't have to. I knew it wasn't that great, but I wasn't sure if it was my bias about those who became solid NFL players that was holding things back.
     
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    So a 3rd round RB (Ball), a great NFL center, great NFL guard, a good NFL RB (James White)....and all these guys are proven NFL players, which the OU players ARE NOT.

    Look deeper in the depth chart, and that team had tons of talent....proven NFL talent.

    For all we know, maybe every OU draftee this year is a bust, it happens all of the time.
     
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    Krangthebrain Captain of Team Murray

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_Badgers_football_team

    Better roster here. You dont even mention Ricky Wagner, one of the best OL in the NFL!

    Abbrederis stuck around the NFL for a few years too.

    And Peter Konz a 2nd round pick at guard. You downplay Zeitler, but he was 1st team All Big 10 as a sophomore.
     
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    On paper (looking at college stats only - aka "potential") we have several good QB's on this team:

    12,429 yards and 95 TD's
    9.966 yards and 105 TD's
    7,314 yards and 43 TD's
    5,406 yards and 63 TD's
    3,903 yards and 36 TD's

    That's:
    Kliff Kingsbury
    Brett Hundley
    Charles Kanoff
    Kyler Murray
    Drew Anderson
     
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    Montee Ball was useless, James White is decent on the Pats in a system that exploits matchups but keeps him on the bench at other times, and he had one or two guys on the line at a time, not four out of five guys on their way to NFL careers all at the same time.

    And again... Nick Toon. A 4th round pick, not a 1st round pick with elite speed. He threw to nobodies. Brown and Lamb are bonafide 1st round talents.
     
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    Ball was very well thought of, certainly better thought of than Rodney Anderson, Murray's oft injured backfield partner.

    And literally none of the OU guys have proven anything yet.

    All of them could be busts.

    Lamb is a first round talent??? MAYBE. This years "1st round talents" sometimes go undrafted next year.
     
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    Stout I gave my cards a victory...

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    I didn't have to do much work at all. "On paper better than RW." No, nobody's putting him in the hall yet--they're just making out that he's better than a probable HOFer :biglaugh:

    And that's not the only comment. I've read generational QB, best rookie QB ever coming, and many other statements that dwarfs "pie in the sky" hopes. Give me a fracking break! Be excited about our new QB, sure. Ohmygorshhe'slikethebestestever! is just plain DUMB.
     
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    On paper as prospects. How do you not grasp the difference? Nobody is saying that he is already a better QB than RW, but comparing them against each other as prospects Murray is better. Difference is that RW has proven to be a great player and Murray still needs to go out and prove it.
     
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    Thank you for that. I CAN grasp the difference, but nobody is qualifying these statements. They're just saying better, not better in these specific, unquantifiable, and completely arguable ways. Most of those posts absolutely read as if he is already a better QB than RW, which is so freaking annoying. Your above post is the first one that elaborates on the comparison.
     
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    Except I am the one that has been saying he is a better prospect and the word prospect should make that distinction by itself. In other words I think he is more physically talented than Wilson and if everything works out well he could be even better than Wilson. What we won't know until he plays is whether he will be able to process information as well as Wilson does. If he gets it mentally at least as well and can stay healthy like Wilson has than he will likely end up an even better player.
     
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    PA had a post just a few days ago opining that he's better than RW. You're not the only one talking about Kyler.

    The fact of the matter is that Kyler had much more well regarded talent around him all at the same time than RW did. You don't have to be a good NFL player to have been great at the college level. But the guys coming down with Kyler's passes are objectively better than anything RW had.
     
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    RW was on a really good college team.

    Potential is the same as actual performance. Fact of the matter is that Wisconsin had multiple Pro Bowlers or near all pros playing alongside RW. They went 11-3.

    Actual good NFL players from a team trumps "potential" anyday. Like I said, all of Murray's teammates might be terrible in the NFL and your argument will look silly.
     

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