Official Training Camp Thread

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  1. Solar7

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    lmao

    (if someone else can reply with that, so can I)

    The coaching staff last year had at least called NFL plays in some sense. We have a head coach who couldn't even win in college. It completely baffles me that anyone is saying we're "better," when really, it's just "different." This is tailor-made to be the worst team in NFL history.

    If we suck, and suck hard, it's going to be a "well no ****, look at all of the stupid moves you made."

    I hope to death that I'm wrong. But there's nothing on paper indicating success here from an objective standpoint.

    This is insanely implausible. It would be the best rookie QB performance of all time. We've gotta stop this. If Kyler has a decent season, we should celebrate in the streets. If these numbers are put up, we are a 13 win football team. This isn't gonna happen.

    I'm trying to be more positive, but come on people... six wins and 3000 yards of offense from the QB should be considered a real major success, and what we should be hoping for if this was the right hire and draft decision.
     
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    Who cares if they were bad in numerous places before they got here?

    Still baffles me that the FO went & hired a guy that got fired twice in less than a year in Mike McCoy. The second he got hired is the day I knew last season was going to be worthless. Don’t give a damn if they called plays in the league before.
     
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    Solar outside of KK, look at many of the coaches we have added to this staff. I think these guys are upgrades:

    Clements-longtime QB coach. Great success in developing Aaron freaking Rodgers.

    Vance Joseph-experience & successful 3-4 DC. Upgrade

    Kugler-supposedly one of the top Oline coaches in the game. This Oline needs it

    James Saxon-highly touted & successful RB coaches in the NFL. Helped coach Leveon Bell & Conner into stars. Long career. Huge upgrade

    Spencer Whipple-coached WRs at UMass & turned Isabella into a bonafide star & knows the passing game. Highly sought after from what I heard.

    Marcus Robertson-longtime NFL DB coach. Highly successful at nearly every stop!

    It’s not just about the HC, it’s also about the guys who actually teach them. I like the staff we’ve assembled.

    I seriously think you need to go root for another team considering you hate everything about it lol :mrgreen:
     
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    Yep & throw in Sam Blowford into the mix & you knew the offense would suck before we even played a game
     
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    Baker Mayfield had 3700 yards in 13 starts as a rookie.
     
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    And 27 TDs, the all time rookie record. Granted our rookie WRs will probably get lots of playing time & will be a work in progress, but in this offense it’s possible the numbers are similar
     
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    It's just last year that we were touting how great our OL coach was coming from Carolina, and we had the league's worst line. Tom Clements is so great that he didn't have a job for two years in the sport, and he brought Brett Hundley with him... who crashed and burned when given the opportunity to play. We interviewed a lot of bigger names, who didn't end up here for whatever reason. That said, I can give Kugler breathing room because he ended up in some different circumstances that led to him being available. Let's hope he's great.

    Spencer Whipple does nothing to excite me. His dad was the head coach. UMass wasn't very good. Does it mean he's bad? No, but it's another unknown. I can't find anything suggesting he was highly sought after from any source besides our friend Mitch, who asserts on ROTB that "Whip suggested to his son that now is the perfect time to get started in the NFL, that he polish up his resume and hand it directly in person to the Cardinals." Wahoo?

    Vance Joseph, Marcus Robertson? Sign me up. I'm all for them, but I don't know if a solid defense is enough to turn the tide.

    I get you're probably joking here, but just to be really clear about it - I love this team, but they've done almost everything opposite of how I would have approached this offseason. Just because I anticipate our team being pretty bad doesn't mean I'm not a fan. I became a fan when this team was really bad as a kid, and I lived in Arizona for all of 6 months until I was 18. No one would have blinked an eye if I started to say I was a 49ers fan, or something like that. But I'm fiercely loyal.

    All in all, I'm warming up to some of the things that are coming, but the logical side of me is shouting down most of the hope, so I'm trying to set some reasonable standards that will let me enjoy watching this season.

    A season where we win six games, and strongly compete in three losses or so, will be a really encouraging sign for me to be able to chill out and get amped for 2020 as we add more pieces with our cap space.

    A season where KK looks completely overwhelmed and Kyler gets killed behind a terrible offensive line will have me calling for Keim's head and wondering WTF this franchise is gonna do.
     
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    Baker Mayfield had one of the top five best rookie performances ever, statistically, and his team was rarely ever in the lead. That is not the baseline, and it's not really success, even.

    I mean, I get it, I'm not Kyler's biggest fan, but let's give the kid some leeway here in terms of expectations. I will absolutely root for the guy to be the best player of all time in his rookie season, but the truth is, Rome wasn't built in a day, so if he can put up 3500 total yards, I'll probably be jazzed.
     
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    I have to admit, I thought Mike McCoy was gonna be an alright hire. That and going all-in on Kirk Cousins are probably my two worst hot takes in a long time.

    I totally got bamboozled by that year with Tebow, coupled with Peyton, and thought his previous firing was just bad circumstance.

    I still think Cousins is a pretty damn fine QB, but he would have been an unmitigated disaster on this team right now contractually. With him though, I think we were probably closer to a 6-8 win team last year, and Wilks would still be here.
     
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    Vegas win totals

    Camps open soon (the Broncos already have started practicing), and the folks in Vegas have adjusted their projected over-under win totals for 2019.

    The Chiefs at 12, followed by the Patriots at 11.

    The Rams and Saints are next at 10.5, followed by the Chargers, Eagles, and Colts at 9.5

    The Bears, Packers, Vikings, Browns, Steelers, and Cowboys land at 9, with the Falcons, Ravens, Seahawks, Texans just behind them, at 8.5

    Next are the Titans, 49ers, Jaguars, and Panthers at 8, the Jets at 7.5, the Broncos at 7, the Lions, Bills, Buccaneers, and Washington at 6.5, the Giants, Bengals, and Raiders at 6, and the Cardinals and Dolphins at 5.
     
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    Cardinals place Dante Booker on PUP list
    Rookies have reported to Cardinals camp and one member of that group landed on the physically unable to perform list on Thursday.

    The NFL’s daily transaction report brings word that linebacker Dante Booker has been placed on the list. Booker won’t be able to practice with the team until he’s activated and is eligible to be activated at any time.

    Booker signed with the Cardinals after going undrafted out of Ohio State in April and is the only rookie in the team’s linebacking corps.

    Injuries limited Booker’s playing time while in Columbus and the school credited him with 74 tackles, nine tackles for loss and an interception in 48 games spread over five seasons.

    Veteran members of the Cardinals report to camp next week and they may make some additions to the PUP and non-football injury lists at that point.
     
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    I've asked the following question to Darren Urban on the official Az site, and hope that he'll be back from vacation soon and answer it. Which one or two UDFA's have the best chance of making the team? Is there one or two that have a chance?
     
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    How would we be closer to a 6-8 team last year with Cousins if he could barely get 8 wins with a way more talented Vikings team? Like how?

    After now reading you thinking McCoy would be a good hire & STILL believe Cousins is anything more than a sub-par QB, I think everyone should be fairly confident in Kyler making you eat massive crow.
     
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    Maybe, but I’m guessing six of the 10 or so best rookie seasons have come in the last decade or so. RG3, Luck, Watson, Prescott, Mayfield, have all raised the bar for what’s possible. Especially when you fold mobility in with arm talent.

    It would be extremely disappointing if Murray, considering everything, had a rookie season that looked more like Mile Glennons.
     
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    Anyone with any football sense should realize that rookie WR's generally take time to develop. Even though there's nice potential with the WR's we drafted, it would be folly to think they'll all produce in year 1. I want to believe that we have the potential for 6+ wins, but I also think our young WR's will hold us back this year.
     
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