Official Kyler Murray career thread.... (post Cardinals/Vikes)

[GatorAZ]

I still don’t think you understand what he’s saying.

You can be a generational athlete while still being a not-good player of the sport you’re playing.

Very easy to understand.

Lamar, Kyler and Anthony Richardson are generational athletes at the position but one is a superstar, one is average and one is a bust. Special physical gifts don’t guarantee anything.

 

[gimpy]

Well, I asked an expert if KM was considered a generational talent. Here is his answer:

"Kyler Murray's Status as a Generational Talent​

Kyler Murray is widely regarded as a generational talent in the NFL. This label was notably given by Arizona Cardinals general manager Steve Keim, who emphasized Murray's unique skills and potential.

Key Points About Kyler Murray​

• Drafted First Overall: Murray was selected as the first overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft, highlighting the high expectations placed on him.
• Dual-Threat Ability: He is recognized for his exceptional dual-threat capabilities, combining strong passing skills with impressive mobility.
• Recognition: Murray has been acknowledged for his talent, being named the Offensive Rookie of the Year in 2019 and selected to the Pro Bowl in both 2020 and 2021.

Conclusion​

Overall, Kyler Murray's combination of skills, achievements, and the high regard in which he is held by NFL executives and analysts solidify his status as a generational talent in professional football."

I posted this from an (I think) AI generated response on Google/duck duck go search.

Still nothing definite, in my opinion.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

"Hey, AI - who considers Kyler Murray to be a generational talent in the NFL?"

AI: The drunk former GM of the Arizona Cardinals who drafted Kyler #1 overall is responsible for that label.

Seems legit.

 

[Chopper0080]

Very easy to understand.

Lamar, Kyler and Anthony Richardson are generational athletes at the position but one is a superstar, one is average and one is a bust. Special physical gifts don’t guarantee anything.

I don’t view Kyler as the same
Level of athlete as Richardson, Lamar or Vick. Just my opinion.

 

[Chopper0080]

Or Josh Allen for that matter.

 

[GatorAZ]

I don’t view Kyler as the same
Level of athlete as Richardson, Lamar or Vick. Just my opinion.

The issue is he didn’t always perform like an elite athlete but he’d go thru stretches where he definitely did. One game he’d embarrass an elite pass rusher trying to sack him then the next game he’d shrivel at the first sign of pressure. Frustrating.

 

[PACardsFan]

takes kyler 2 completions to get 10 yards - at that rate he'll need 60 completions to have a 300 yard game - might explain why he hasn't had a 300 yards passing in a game since 2024 - meanwhile brissett did it 4 times last season WITH THE SAME ARIZONA CARDINALS

the short jokes don't need to be about his height - they should be about his time in the pocket - and the distance of his throws

You might want to go back and watch that drive. Minnesota purposely ran the ball most of that drive. And the only incompletion was a dropped 3rd down pass to Aaron Jones that would have resulted in a 1st down around the 10 yard line. Otherwise, that drive probably ends up with a TD instead of a FG.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

The issue is he didn’t always perform like an elite athlete but he’d go thru stretches where he definitely did. One game he’d embarrass an elite pass rusher trying to sack him then the next game he’d shrivel at the first sign of pressure. Frustrating.

Murray had all the talent in the world coming out of college, and for two and a half years (three if you’re feeling generous) he was more or less on track to fulfill his incredible potential.

But a shocking and unforeseen deficiency in multiple intangibles, which are necessary to succeed in the NFL, led to his demise.

Mental toughness. Clutch-ness. Leadership. Growth mindset. Personal accountability. Durability.

All below average, or well below average for K1.

The combination of any kind of adversity plus not being able to easily out-athlete opposing defenses eventually exposed his intangible deficiencies.

A few failures exacerbated the problem and the intangible issue snowballed. eventually he appeared to stop giving the team maximum effort, the death knell for any professional who wants to be great and who must be a leader.

Stronger leaders than kingsbury and keim might have been able to change the outcome, but unfortunately we’ll never know.

It’s a shame. Any time potential is not realized it’s everyone’s loss.

 

[Phrazbit]

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MHJ is going in the 6th round and Addison is going 9th/10th. I’d much rather roll with Addison two rounds later.

What people are missing is that the Cards have been force-feeding Marv targets to get those mid-level results. If you have three healthy targets plus you expect Love to get 60-70 targets, Marv will have to be much much more efficient to get those 800/8 that you might be expecting.

I think Addison is +/-8% of whatever Marvin gets.


Marvin didn’t earn many doubles after his first few appearances when teams realized he was Not It. Teams plays a ton of zone against us and we couldn’t really do anything about it.

I think Addison is probably as talented or better than Marvin.

But I think Marvin is going to have a much bigger year as a fantasy target because Addison is their #2 receiver and Kyler is awful at going through his progressions and keeping his eyes down field AND because we're probably going to be throwing a ton because our defense won't be stopping anyone.

 

[Phrazbit]

Murray had all the talent in the world coming out of college, and for two and a half years (three if you’re feeling generous) he was more or less on track to fulfill his incredible potential.

But a shocking and unforeseen deficiency in multiple intangibles which are necessary to succeed in the NFL led to his demise.

Mental toughness. Clutch-ness. Leadership. Growth mindset. Personal accountability. Durability.

All below average, or well below average for K1.

The combination of any kind of adversity plus not being able to easily out-athlete opposing defenses eventually exposed his intangible deficiencies.

A few failures exacerbated the problem and eventually he appeared to stop giving the team maximum effort, the death knell for any professional who wants to be great and who must be a leader.

Stronger leaders than kingsbury and keim might have been able to change the outcome, but unfortunately we’ll never know.

It’s a shame. Any time potential is not realized it’s everyone’s loss.

He doesn't put in the work and he handles adversity terrible. He was never going to be a generational player anywhere. It worked a bit for those first few years because he was willing to run, but he isn't anymore and without him being a constant threat to run (forwards, not backwards) he turned himself into a checkdown QB.