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This is the worst trade I have ever seen posted regarding the Suns.

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset

KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol
 

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset

KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol
Well, another way to look at our record is that we are actually 12-5 since our horrible start and that's while missing several players. But regardless, I really don't know how we should proceed from here.

I really enjoy watching this team play and Dillon is a huge part of why so I kind of agree about him being untradable. And Williams has been huge for us so I'd hate to see him moved too. But the injury history for Williams and the fact that Dillon is playing out of his mind and might soon return to form are real concerns.
 

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset

KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol

The last time we traded 3 starters for a stat padder sure worked out well, right?
 

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset

KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol
Talent/assets aside, this is terrible because it would gut 2 of the 3 most important people in our defensive turnaround this year in Brooks and Williams for a turnstile that can't guard without fouling. All this momentum that's been built up would be out the door.
 

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset

KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol
We would be a much worse team after that trade, with much worse prospects for the future. Thats why. I don't want to gut my team for KAT. And "only" 30 is not really all that. He has peaked. His age is wrong for our timeline. Green might be more important for our future than Book at this point, just given their ages.
 
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Well, another way to look at our record is that we are actually 12-5 since our horrible start and that's while missing several players. But regardless, I really don't know how we should proceed from here.

I really enjoy watching this team play and Dillon is a huge part of why so I kind of agree about him being untradable. And Williams has been huge for us so I'd hate to see him moved too. But the injury history for Williams and the fact that Dillon is playing out of his mind and might soon return to form are real concerns.
I think we don't mess with it right now. We see about getting everyone healthy, keep this team together, let them develop their chemistry, and then evaluate in the off-season regarding what we might need.

Now, if we get a decent offer for Richards, fine. And maybe if we get an offer for Grayson (since Gillespie is turning out so well). But what we would want in return would be picks, not players so much.
 

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset

KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol
That is four of our top 6 players for basically a single guy and a black hole. That is not how you team build when you don't have any picks.
 

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Well, another way to look at our record is that we are actually 12-5 since our horrible start and that's while missing several players. But regardless, I really don't know how we should proceed from here.

I really enjoy watching this team play and Dillon is a huge part of why so I kind of agree about him being untradable. And Williams has been huge for us so I'd hate to see him moved too. But the injury history for Williams and the fact that Dillon is playing out of his mind and might soon return to form are real concerns.

Dillion Brooks being untradable? Dillion Brooks?

I see guys bringing up the KD trade this isn’t even close to that. Brooks, Williams and Allen are not prospects anymore we know who all these guys are and they are average at best. Anyone who thinks Brooks is gonna keep dropping 30 or Williams is gonna stay healthy is ridiculous.

I do like Green but if you’re keeping Booker do you need another ball dominant guy in the back court? By the way Green has serious flaws in his game let’s not pretend he doesn’t. I still like him

We gave up legit good prospects in the KD trade none of these guys are better than Bridges or Cam at that point plus we gave up ridiculous draft capital.

KAT is under contract for 2 more years then that’s a lot of money off the books also say you wanna blow it up. KAT and Booker can bring you back a lot more than what we got now. Either way this team ain’t contending. My look it to the future and flipping guys
 

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Dillion Brooks being untradable? Dillion Brooks?

I see guys bringing up the KD trade this isn’t even close to that. Brooks, Williams and Allen are not prospects anymore we know who all these guys are and they are average at best. Anyone who thinks Brooks is gonna keep dropping 30 or Williams is gonna stay healthy is ridiculous.

I do like Green but if you’re keeping Booker do you need another ball dominant guy in the back court? By the way Green has serious flaws in his game let’s not pretend he doesn’t. I still like him

We gave up legit good prospects in the KD trade none of these guys are better than Bridges or Cam at that point plus we gave up ridiculous draft capital.

KAT is under contract for 2 more years then that’s a lot of money off the books also say you wanna blow it up. KAT and Booker can bring you back a lot more than what we got now. Either way this team ain’t contending. My look it to the future and flipping guys
I wouldn’t do that specific trade but I agree that none of these guys are untouchable. Depending on what offers a team might have for Brooks as the seasons goes on will be interesting. I just don’t like a Big-2 of Booker and KAT.
 

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset


KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol

Looks like you just listed the makeup of a pretty good team construct, but hey lets gut the team for KAT.
 

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Looks like you just listed the makeup of a pretty good team construct, but hey lets gut the team for KAT.

Right. If you would of told any of us 4 years ago this was gonna be our team this board would of lost it but now untradable ok sure thing
 

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Why is that bad?

Dillion Brooks- Role Player
Grayson- Role Player
Mark Williams- Averages 40 games a year
Jalen Green- Legit young asset

KAT- legitimate all star who’s only 30

KAT had 35/5/18 last night. Since the hot start Suns are 4-4 and now we can’t trade Brooks, Grayson and Mark Williams lol
This is a joke right? Has to be.

Well lets start with this - Mark Williams by himself is in my estimation at least 75% as good as KAT and he is 7 years younger and will be able to be resigned at a much smaller number that KAT.

When you take everything into consideration - I would rather have Williams than Kat. That alone is a deal I say no to.

Then lets talk about Brooks. Dillon Brooks scored 33 in his last game as well.

For the year Brooks is averaging 22.3 PPG and KAT is averaging 22.7 PPG and Brooks has changed our entire defensive culture. I seriously would make the argument that Brooks alone is more valuable than KAT to this team.

Jalen Green is also only 23, and has a ton of upside. Call me crazy - but again I would rather have him straight up than KAT.

I mean there is a reason KAT is even available - the Knicks and the TWolves before them don't find him to be all that valuable.

If you truly don't think that is a horrible deal, I don't trust your judgement about anything basketball related.
 

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Right. If you would of told any of us 4 years ago this was gonna be our team this board would of lost it but now untradable ok sure thing
Nobody is saying any of them are untradable - they are saying that return is beyond hideous for that collection of players.
 
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Even then, they have to be fairly young, hungry stars that have a clear pecking order and complement on another.

I really don’t want to go that route again.

Hopefully a lesson learned. Only one basketball to go around.
 
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Nobody is saying any of them are untradable - they are saying that return is beyond hideous for that collection of players.

Exactly. The Suns have already gone through the depleted team routine.
 

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This is a joke right? Has to be.

Well lets start with this - Mark Williams by himself is in my estimation at least 75% as good as KAT and he is 7 years younger and will be able to be resigned at a much smaller number that KAT.

When you take everything into consideration - I would rather have Williams than Kat. That alone is a deal I say no to.

Then lets talk about Brooks. Dillon Brooks scored 33 in his last game as well.

For the year Brooks is averaging 22.3 PPG and KAT is averaging 22.7 PPG and Brooks has changed our entire defensive culture. I seriously would make the argument that Brooks alone is more valuable than KAT to this team.

Jalen Green is also only 23, and has a ton of upside. Call me crazy - but again I would rather have him straight up than KAT.

I mean there is a reason KAT is even available - the Knicks and the TWolves before them don't find him to be all that valuable.

If you truly don't think that is a horrible deal, I don't trust your judgement about anything basketball related.
Yeah. I don't know if Williams will stay healthy nor do I know if Brooks can continue to be a force on both ends but right now, we're winning in large part due to those two. No one is truly untradable but I can't think of a reason to trade either of them right now unless it makes our future brighter and that Towns deal doesn't.
 
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Yeah. I don't know if Williams will stay healthy nor do I know if Brooks can continue to be a force on both ends but right now, we're winning in large part due to those two. No one is truly untradable but I can't think of a reason to trade either of them right now unless it makes our future brighter and that Towns deal doesn't.

If Jalen Green can get healthy, he likely wins the Durant trade on his lonesome.
 

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This is a joke right? Has to be.

Well lets start with this - Mark Williams by himself is in my estimation at least 75% as good as KAT and he is 7 years younger and will be able to be resigned at a much smaller number that KAT.

When you take everything into consideration - I would rather have Williams than Kat. That alone is a deal I say no to.

Then lets talk about Brooks. Dillon Brooks scored 33 in his last game as well.

For the year Brooks is averaging 22.3 PPG and KAT is averaging 22.7 PPG and Brooks has changed our entire defensive culture. I seriously would make the argument that Brooks alone is more valuable than KAT to this team.

Jalen Green is also only 23, and has a ton of upside. Call me crazy - but again I would rather have him straight up than KAT.

I mean there is a reason KAT is even available - the Knicks and the TWolves before them don't find him to be all that valuable.

If you truly don't think that is a horrible deal, I don't trust your judgement about anything basketball related.
I agree with this post completely. I just am not that interested in trading anything of much value for KAT.

That trade makes our team worse now and also makes our future prospects worse. KAT is just not worth all that.
 

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I wouldn't trade Williams for KAT in a straight up trade, let alone give up all those other guys. Just gotta cross our fingers that Williams can continue to stay relatively healthy, because he is absolutely pivotal to our defensive philosophy. If The Uatchman can begin to emulate what Williams does for us, then we have a bright future with those two at center.
 

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Maybe I'm a homer but why would we fund the trade for the Knicks to land Giannis? This is almost like how we sacrificed Ayton & Camara for bad contracts and Grayson, who was considered a troublesome contract given our cap situation and his extension? We gave up the youth for the Bucks to acquire Dame. The proposed KAT package is that deal on steroids. I'd probably do the deal for Giannis but that isn't on the table.
 

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